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Climate skepticism is just bad science: "There is no cohesive, consistent alternative theory.."
Salon ^ | December 5, 2015 | Michael Shermer

Posted on 12/06/2015 1:40:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife

MMGW is not a real theory until it has a negative case.

All scientific theories *must* have a negative case, that is, describing something, anything, that would show the theory is incorrect. But that is something the MMGW advocates *refuse* to present.

You want to test the theory of gravity, so you hold a ball a few feet above the floor and let it go. Typically it will fall, thus generally supporting the theory of gravity. However, you have a negative case, that if it does *not* fall, then the experiment, for some reason, is not working.

But as far as the MMGW advocates are concerned *everything* proves MMGW. Hot, cold, up, down, darkness, light, etc., etc. They will never say what would show that MMGW is *not* happening.

This has put them in the untenable position of not just modifying data to fit their theory, but modifying data so much that it has reached the “night is in fact day” point.

No credibility left, so like the Soviet science fraud Trofim Lysenko, all they can do is threaten and coerce the real scientists. Even kill them if you can. But there is no future in that, because there are far too many legitimate scientists for it to last very long, so unless they can get the law changed and quickly, the whole scam is likely to burn out.


81 posted on 12/06/2015 7:07:48 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This just in, Al gore has canceled several speaking engagements after it was revealed that dutch elm disease is an STD.
82 posted on 12/06/2015 7:15:16 AM PST by Lee Enfield (I identify as rich, cut me a check.)
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To: NTHockey
Mankind will be the death of planet Earth; but not from AGW.

Well, I'll go another direction and express great concern about... genetic engineering.

I suspect it has a greater potential for widespread disruption of life from (as occurs from so much of our brainiacs' efforts) unintended consequences.

83 posted on 12/06/2015 7:22:13 AM PST by polymuser ( Enough is enough)
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To: Politicalkiddo

>So because there isn’t, as they claim, a sufficient alternate theory, their poorly sculpted and botched theory has to be right by default? That’s not scientific.<

Whenever a theory appears to you as the only possible one, take this as a sign that you have neither understood the theory nor the problem which it was intended to solve.
— Karl Popper


84 posted on 12/06/2015 7:40:24 AM PST by Captain Compassion
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To: Homer1
That cook paper that keeps getting cited has been discredited...

Comprehensively. Cook et al. Anybody who writes a paper quoting the Cook paper obviously knows nothing about the climate warming debate and should be ignored.

85 posted on 12/06/2015 8:22:22 AM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Jukeman
Yeah. I guess I'll just dig in my heels and accept the stupid global warming theory and tell them, I hate cold climate. Nature doesn't build roads or warm by itself. We really have to do this ourselves.
86 posted on 12/06/2015 8:48:47 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Jukeman
Climate skepticism is just bad science: "There is no cohesive, consistent alternative theory to human-caused global warming"

Michael Shermer doesn't get it... there's also no cohesive alternative theory to explain rabbits jumping backwards... OTHER THAN THAT IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

87 posted on 12/06/2015 10:02:26 AM PST by GOPJ (You don't stop bad guys by taking away our guns. You stop bad guys by using our guns - Ted Cruz)
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To: palmer
It's a scientific consensus that CO2 causes warming.

And vast warming releases CO2



88 posted on 12/06/2015 10:36:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: palmer
It's a scientific consensus that CO2 causes warming.

It is a scientific fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Greenhouse gases can cause warming.

But the minuscule volume of CO2 emissions are NOT the cause of global warming. The so-called "science" that claims to show that is nonsense. CO2 rise occurs after global warming as warmer oceans release the dissolved gases into the atmosphere.

The absolute dominate greenhouse gas by many orders of magnitude is water vapor.

89 posted on 12/06/2015 10:40:23 AM PST by olezip
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To: Elsie

If the current rise in CO2 comes from volcanoes (or more invisibly from subduction zones and underwater volcanoes) then we still have to explain why that is happening now coincidentally with manmade CO2. I’ll address CO2 causing warming in my next reply.


90 posted on 12/06/2015 11:19:16 AM PST by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet over to foreign enemies)
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To: olezip; Elsie
CO2 is a minuscule gas by volume but not by molecules. There are enough CO2 molecules in 30 meters (IIRC) of the atmosphere to absorb every outgoing IR photon. That energy is instantly released to the non-radiative atmosphere and the whole atmosphere is warmer due to the CO2.

CO2 rise occurs after global warming as warmer oceans release the dissolved gases into the atmosphere.

That's true, and that happens. But the amount does not add up. The entire, mostly natural warming for the last 100 years was about 1C. That would release enough CO2 from the oceans to raise the concentration about 5 to 10 ppm. Instead we get 20-25 pm every decade, way more than expected. As I just pointed out another possibility is natural releases from the earth's crust and mantle, but that requires the explanation of why now and not in the last 20k years of very good records (ice core, stomata, and sediments). A third possibility is the biosphere releasing more CO2 which is definitely true and part of the rise associated with "fossil fuel burning" even though it is not. But it does not account for the majority of the observed rise.

91 posted on 12/06/2015 11:25:47 AM PST by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet over to foreign enemies)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Shermer does not know the basics of the scientific method. For a theory to be falsified there is no requirement at all for an alternative theory. And AGW models have been falsified repeatedly. Moreover there are numerous alternative theories, number one among them being the climate is sinusoidal and guys like Shermer should thank GAIA that they are living in an interglacial.


92 posted on 12/06/2015 11:27:29 AM PST by jwalsh07 (.w)
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To: palmer

Danged ol’ pre-humans and their campfires melted the ice!

http://www.iafi.org/floods.html


93 posted on 12/06/2015 2:20:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
Bernie Sanders (and other Global Warmers) deconstructed:

"The debate is over."

Pretty much - the childish "I am right, you are wrong; I win, you lose" is not a debate. If one side declares their opinions / "projections" as incontrovertible "facts" and/or one of two sides doesn't engage in the "debate," because they are "right" and the other side is "wrong" (and is declared a "denier") then there is no debate possible.

"Climate change is real,"

True, and has always been true. The same cannot be said of Global Warming - witness the major and mini cooling (Ice Ages) and warming periods. If the climate never changed (i.e., remained constant) even the notion of climate wouldn't exist.

"... it is caused by human activity,"

Patently false, because dramatic and/or drastic changes in climate existed for much longer than the alleged ability of humans to radically affect climate. If anything, relatively recent man-made technologies greatly increased the ability of humans to adapt to effects of naturally ever-changing climate, and even provide the conditions that saved many species of animal kingdom from extinction.

Even most non-alarmist environmentalists, including "The Skeptical Environmentalist" Bjorn Lomborg, admit that "cutting too much CO2 would be very costly" and that warming climate over last several centuries has been and, if continues, would be greatly beneficial for agriculture, eradicating or containing many epidemic diseases and increasing economic activity and thus survivability and prosperity of people in most parts of the world.

People may, at best and at great expense, marginally affect the local climate environment and — as most organic physicists and biologists know — it would not be due to increased emitted amounts of CO2 / carbon dioxide, which has been proven not to affect climate but which is a byproduct and is necessary for the carbon-based life on planet Earth (UN climate change body suffers mammoth European carbon fraud - FR, posts #1, #14, 2015 September 08)

"... and it is already causing profound disturbances all over America and all over the world,"

Whatever one's definition of "profound disturbances" may be, this is sheer idiocy devoid of any facts, and ignoring all the provable facts to the contrary. But by the standard of "I said it, therefore it is true and anyone who doesn't echo this is the denier", then all that can be said is "that'll do pig, that'll do"...

"If we have data, let's look at data. If all we have are opinions, let's go with mine." - Jim Barksdale

94 posted on 12/06/2015 3:42:29 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Climate skepticism is just bad science: "There is no cohesive, consistent alternative theory to human-caused global warming"

Climate alarmism is just bad science: there is no cohesive, consistent evidentiary support of the human-caused global warming hypothesis.

And I did not read beyond this sentence, since the author clearly understands so little about the subject he is writing about.

In science, you have a hypothesis and a null hypothesis. You cannot ever have a hypothesis without an opposing null hypothesis. Thus, if the hypothesis is that there is human-caused global warming due to carbon dioxide, you must be able to define a set of testable hypotheses and their corresponding null hypotheses. For example, you would hypothesize that global temperature is a direct function of the concentration of carbon dioxide in the air. The null hypothesis would be that carbon dioxide has negligible, if any, effect on global temperature. As far as I can tell, no one has ever experimentally demonstrated either the hypothesis or its null.

95 posted on 12/06/2015 4:23:14 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I do believe that for thousands of years in many languages it has been known as “weather” ... Seasons have been documented for many thousands of years.


96 posted on 12/06/2015 6:02:15 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Shermer is a failed psychology student who became a lapsed Christian-antiChristian, based on personal issues in his own life, not on any rational decision process. His flip-flop on "global warming" is a sad case of selling out.

To call him "clear thinking" is itself a supreme act of Christian charity. The man is a second-rater, a "science writer" and "philosopher of science" who failed to become a scientist himself.

97 posted on 12/06/2015 6:05:03 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Humans are destroying the planet because, because, because how could it not be so!


98 posted on 12/06/2015 6:07:24 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: exDemMom; Cincinatus' Wife; All
Climate alarmism is just bad science: there is no cohesive, consistent evidentiary support of the human-caused global warming hypothesis.

Alarmism, of course, is necessary to advance political goals and personal enrichment opportunities, otherwise the whole "scientific" issue would not exist. The "cap-and-trade" system and "green loans" to Solyndra, A123 and other bankrupt "green" companies, as well as "carbon credits" (which are currently the only source of profitability at companies like Tesla) can only be accomplished through corrupt government vehicles based on nakedly fraudulent "science" and alarmism.

How else can they justify and sell something like EPA's upcoming draconian Clean Power Plan if not for "the sky is falling" tactics?

Yet if anybody looks into the supposed "benefits" of such plan, which can only be accomplished at great present and future cost to "regular folks" they will find this (from Carbon Dioxide Reduction Policies Are Destructive And Immoral - IBD, by Roger Bezdek and Paul Driessen, 2015 December 04):

No wonder that in every poll the "climate change" is at or near the bottom of the list of issues concerning regular people, while it's at the top of the list and requiring "immediate action" among politicians.

99 posted on 12/06/2015 7:27:03 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Elsie

“And there was evening, and there was morning the first day.”

Not a SOLAR morning. No sun yet.


100 posted on 12/09/2015 10:59:40 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (The DNC's 2012 Convention actually 'booed' God three times.)
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