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To: palmer
It's a scientific consensus that CO2 causes warming.

It is a scientific fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Greenhouse gases can cause warming.

But the minuscule volume of CO2 emissions are NOT the cause of global warming. The so-called "science" that claims to show that is nonsense. CO2 rise occurs after global warming as warmer oceans release the dissolved gases into the atmosphere.

The absolute dominate greenhouse gas by many orders of magnitude is water vapor.

89 posted on 12/06/2015 10:40:23 AM PST by olezip
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To: olezip; Elsie
CO2 is a minuscule gas by volume but not by molecules. There are enough CO2 molecules in 30 meters (IIRC) of the atmosphere to absorb every outgoing IR photon. That energy is instantly released to the non-radiative atmosphere and the whole atmosphere is warmer due to the CO2.

CO2 rise occurs after global warming as warmer oceans release the dissolved gases into the atmosphere.

That's true, and that happens. But the amount does not add up. The entire, mostly natural warming for the last 100 years was about 1C. That would release enough CO2 from the oceans to raise the concentration about 5 to 10 ppm. Instead we get 20-25 pm every decade, way more than expected. As I just pointed out another possibility is natural releases from the earth's crust and mantle, but that requires the explanation of why now and not in the last 20k years of very good records (ice core, stomata, and sediments). A third possibility is the biosphere releasing more CO2 which is definitely true and part of the rise associated with "fossil fuel burning" even though it is not. But it does not account for the majority of the observed rise.

91 posted on 12/06/2015 11:25:47 AM PST by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet over to foreign enemies)
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