Is Rubio right that welders earn more than philosophers?

Hotair ^ | 11/12/2015 | AllahPundit

[dfwgator]

Most “philosophers” are flipping burgers, or at best pouring drinks.

Or just drinking, period....

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable,
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table,
David Hume could out-consume Schopenhauer and Hegel,
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as schloshed as Schlegel.
There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya 'bout the turning of the wrist,
Socrates himself was permanently pissed...
John Stuart Mill, of his own free will, with half a pint of shandy was particularly ill,
Plato, they say, could stick it away, half a crate of whiskey every day,
Aristotle, Aristotle was a beggar for the bottle,
Hobbes was fond of his dram,
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart, "I drink therefore I am."
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he's pissed.

[eastforker]

Total BS article. A good welder can start making $50K shortly out of High School. An older welder in his late 20’s that has mastered all aspects of welding can make well over$100k+.

[ImJustAnotherOkie]

No implication, he was speaking directly about vocational training as he said.

Average the salaries of philosophers and welders. Hell, WalMart Truck drivers average 81k according to their commercials.

[Pearls Before Swine]

Think plumbers

[ChildOfThe60s]

Uh, know what a liberal arts degree holder says in McDonalds?

Would you like fries with that Big Mac?

[SeekAndFind]

RE: I want to know if Rubio was implying welding should be taught in college. Seemed so.

I don’t think that’s true at all. He was implying that we should encourage those who aren’t really college ready to train vocationally for a skill that the industry needs ( Welding being one of them ).

[glennaro]

Good point. I’ve met more than a few certified welders who are proficient philosophers.

[wally_bert]

Led by Vroomfondel and Majikthise of course as leading members of the union of professional thinking persons.

[Kickass Conservative]

Last time I checked, it didn’t take $200,000 in Government backed Student Loans and a four Year commitment to get a Welding Degree.

[redfreedom]

“Welder a make $10 in the private sector, $18 for government”

I think your wage figures are for the 70’s, maybe 80’s, or maybe for illegals.

[Hot Tabasco]

If you're not going to teach at a university then where does a philosopher look for work?

I've been checking the "help wanted" adds in the local paper and I've yet to see one for Philosophers......

[Mastador1]

Here is a site that you can look up union wages for welders in each state.

http://salarygenius.com/ca/1/salary/union-welder-salary

[Paul46360]

You nailed it. It's the tenured ones that earn the $$$...but they don't BUILD an damn thing.
For every tenured prof..how many welders are there putting $$$ into the economy.

I work at a community college and the NEED for welders is in demand. Over the next 5 - 10 yrs. baby boomers retiring..workers will be needed to fill those type of jobs. The learning curve itself is long.
Welding has many aspects to it..underwater welding is a specialized field in itself.

Marco go it RIGHT

[Eccl 10:2]

Here’s what Rubio said, from the transcripts:

“Here’s the best way to raise wages. Make America the best place in the world to start a business or expand an existing business, tax reform and regulatory reform, bring our debt under control, fully utilize our energy resources so we can reinvigorate manufacturing, repeal and replace Obamacare, and make higher education faster and easier to access, especially vocational training. For the life of me, I don’t know why we have stigmatized vocational education. Welders make more money than philosophers. We need more welders and less philosophers.”

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So he was not advocating teaching welding in college, but he was (correctly) lamenting the we have “stigmatized vocational education”.

Plus, I suspect his definition of “philosophers” would include anyone with an Ethnic Studies or Gender Studies “degree”.

I’m no fan of Rubio (though he’s far preferable to any Democrat for sure), but I thought he did well with this topic at the debate.

[wally_bert]

I’ve run into union 798 welders who think they are supreme beings of the universe.

[A CA Guy]

Neighbor taught welding and he says about $10 to start is it until you get experience.

[Paul46360]

Avg. pay is 18 - 25 an hour. BUT they get many “side” jobs paying $$$$

[Chgogal]

NO!

Rubio was promoting vocational training. I was one of the first freshmen girls allowed to attend Albert Lane Technical High School in Chicago. At that time to graduate HS with a math and science major you had to have 2 years of shop training (wood, electrical, machine, foundry, welding, auto or print) . You had to take wood and electric and were assigned (no freedom to choose) two of the remaining shops. You also had to take two years of drafting along with all the math, science courses, English, history, foreign language and PE courses. It was a great education. I have used my shop and drafting training quite a bit.

[kinsman redeemer]

One man, I quote regularly. He has a clear and concise way of putting things. Everyone admires his wit and wisdom.

[Paul46360]

oohh those are just pipe-dreams!!!