"You know, Nietzsche says that 'Out of Chaos Comes Order.'"
"Oh, blow it out your ass, Howard."
Posted on 11/12/2015 8:39:42 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Oh please. Most working philosophers are teachers. The degree has little value beyond that. And considering that what passes for philosophy are the ivory tower scrawlings of academic eggheads like Kant, Spencer, Malthus, Nietzsche, Marx and Hegel a philosophy degree has little value outside of academia. In fact one can attribute much of the rise of the modern totalitarian state to the maundering of these birds., almost none of whom ever held a job.
About $72K/year for men. That includes the S-T-E-M grads who actually have a demand > supply so $97K BA philosophers must be nonsense, unless it's just the ones who went to law and medical school.
Welding is taught in a lot of colleges (especially community colleges). (Just do a quick Google search on welding in college.)
In addition to that, here is at least one major University (Ohio State University - College of Engineering) that also teaches welding engineering, and offers a bachelor's degree, master's degree, and even a doctorate degree in welding engineering.
Welding Engineering - OSU
I know we need more welders. The last stat I saw was there was a shortage of about 500,000 qualified welders in the United States.
Last year we had a remodeling job done in our building; it turned out the foreman and I had worked on the same job about 35 years ago. I asked him what concerned him most about the construction industry today and he said it was the lack of young people entering the skilled trades as a career. There is good money to be made but too few of the current generation want to do it. Most of the guys on his job were in their 40s or 50s and he was concerned about what happens when they retire.
He said the illegals were good for grunt work but were worthless in anything requiring technical skill.
Cali is outrageous. They pay the heck out of government connected jobs and the shipyards are quasi government.
All the unions blackmail holding products off shore indefinitely on ships that can not get to port with products.
Blackmails the economy and so far the unions have not had criminal charges against them because they give hundreds of millions to Democrats.
Think Progress is the source? It behooves them to promote philosophy.
"You know, Nietzsche says that 'Out of Chaos Comes Order.'"
"Oh, blow it out your ass, Howard."
“Welder a make $10 in the private sector, $18 for government and maybe 180k a year in some Union shipyard I guess.”
Welders make $30 - $40 per hour average, but some specialized pipe welders much more.
As I’ve replied twice on this thread, shipyard welders in Mobile, Alabama make over $20.00 an hour. You guys may have a totally diffent perspective on what constitutes good pay, but I would say that’s pretty good especially with the overtime they get. There are some small piece of crap shipyards where the wages are lower, but there are two fairly big ones and one small one with a combined workforce of around 3,000 who pay over $20.00 an hour for shipyard welders with normal benefits (medical, etc.).
"What a bunch of philosophers."
There are zero jobs in philosophy. There are some jobs in academic philosophy.
That one is a stretch.
The local community college offers night classes for those who want to learn for themselves and a track for the trade fairly reasonably.
Until I had Lasik, wearing glasses and fighting a welders helmet was a pain. I was chronic nearsighted. Maybe next year, I’d like to sign up for the intro home welding class. Every now and then I need some rods burned.
EAA offers a tig welding class every so often and I am going to go to it and some others they offer next year.
The Left likes to use fake “statistics” to embellish their lies.
There is a rather obvious distinction between “a philosophy major” and “a tenured Philosophy professor...”
Or do you think our “pundits” are just too stupid to see that?
Nor does not majoring in Philosophy mean that one can't be a philosopher. See, that was almost philosophical!
Much better.
I knew there had to be a Monty Python skit out there.
Well done.
..Paging Phil Ossifer, please pick up a white courtesy phone.
Oh I understand. Worked in Texas for 35 years and now retired pipefitter here in north east Alabama. In Texas it would be hard to get a welder to load his toolbox for $22.50. Had a guy here who wanted to hire me as a pipefitter and run his crew, asked me what kind of wages I needed. Told him I needed somewhere in the mid $20’s to come out of retirement. Told me that was more than the prevailing wage and couldn’t pay that much.Told him too bad.
Payscale is notoriously bad at wages. Here is a test ... take the Payscale rate for your job, and see where you fit on the continuum. Most people are under 50% of the average, even high performers. Better yet, take Payscale data with you next time you are getting a job offer to try to negotiate your salary. The response that you will get is that nobody believes Payscale data, because it is all self reported by the employees themselves. Yep, people lie about what they are making so that the averages for their field will go up so that their boss will be pressured to pay them more.
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