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Ted Cruz proposes eliminating Energy, HUD, Commerce, Education, IRS
The American Thinker ^ | November 11, 2015 | Ed Straker

Posted on 11/11/2015 12:01:29 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Bob434
NO ONE is calling for the elimination of the NEA or suggesting an alternative to government indoctrination centers

IF YOU WANT AMERICA BACK, AND YOU START RIGHT NOW, SHE'LL BE BACK IN 25 YEARS

That's how long it'll take to start in kindergarten and actually teach children about history, uphold mom and dad's morality and instill a knowledge and love for reading

The 25 year old man will more often than not be married with a a child and a purposeful job, have a knowledge and desire to attend weekly church service, and think in a Norman Rockwell mind set of of pictures


Think I'm crazy ?

Look at what the socialists are doing right now and consider by the time they're 7 they're well on their way to being enviro-whacko's and kumbaya, I love everything un-American .... and they'll wave an American flag while doing it

21 posted on 11/11/2015 2:49:05 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf
The National Education Association (NEA), the nation's largest professional employee organization, is committed to advancing the cause of public education. NEA's 3 million members work at every level of education—from pre-school to university graduate programs. NEA has affiliate organizations in every state and in more than 14,000 communities across the United States.

The NEA is not a government agency, it is a union.

I am at a loss to determine how one gets rid of a union. That has to come from the grass roots.

If they could never get rid of the Teamsters after all these decades, the NEA would be just as difficult.

It has to come from the members..

22 posted on 11/11/2015 2:54:20 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: lefty-lie-spy
Cruz is definitely that guy.

I have not been so excited about a candidate (Cruz) since Reagan. Too bad PT Barnum showed up this time.

23 posted on 11/11/2015 2:55:05 AM PST by catfish1957 (I display the Confederate Battle Flag with pride in honor of my brave ancestors who fought w/ valor)
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To: Cold Heat
or suggesting an alternative


I've been wondering for the last couple of weeeks ....

I have a deed to my property with our names on it as owners ...

Whose name is on the deed to the property and/or school building ?


Does the physical plant actually belong to anyone and if so .... who ?

I used to be a union carpenter and .... we were locked out of a job once back in the 70's

We never went back and completed the work .... it eventually WAS done (a mall store) ... but we didn't do it


food for thought

24 posted on 11/11/2015 3:02:07 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
From the article: I prefer to focus on the merits of what he has announced.

No, let's pick up the idiotic talking points of the Left.

Anyway, those who take the lead on substantial issues own and frame the debate. All others will respond to them on their terms. (See Donald Trump and immigration).

Ted has made a necessary, good and strategic move.

25 posted on 11/11/2015 3:09:19 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: bkopto
Cruz has become the mortal enemy of the fed bureaucracy. He should have kept his intentions quiet. This is a very bad strategic error, to let on like this.

They were going to vote for him before?

26 posted on 11/11/2015 3:12:22 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: knarf

It’s been my experience that most of these associations use their dues money to build the structure and contents, then they sell to a affiliated investment fund and do a lease back. So in effect they own it, but the title is held by a tax exempt institution.

Colleges do this as well. They actually make money on the lease payments, the profits are used for their retirement investment funds as part of the portfolio.


27 posted on 11/11/2015 3:17:40 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat
what kind of a tax exempt institution ?

A PAC or something ?

28 posted on 11/11/2015 3:25:19 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

No...a investment trust.

I would assume that Trump uses them as well.

There are different forms of them, some are tax exempt, others might not be but the more common ones are generally called REIT’s. Real-estate trusts.

You build a commercial property like a strip mall, apartment complex or in trump’s case a skyscraper or golf course and club.

You manage it for a year or so, to get a track record of the occupancy rate or profits and then you revalue the property and offer it to a trust. They buy it and you get all your money back plus a huge profit and you still can retain your management status. Or if it’s a professional building, it’s common to do a lease back.

It’s contractual, so you can devise the contract with end dates, first right of refusal language etc..in that way you maintain your rights to reclaim the property.

What the Trust gets is depreciation expense and lease payments, they in turn use that to make their investors happy. In the case of Colleges, their investors are the employee retirement funds..the deal may not be called a REIT, and might be called a investment Fund. Owned and operated as part of a much broader retirement fund and tax free.

My wife worked at a college, and her retirement fund is with one of these outfits..the buildings on the campus and many other real-estate investment are part of their portfolio. They own them. The collage maintains them and pays rents..the profits go toward the employee retirement fund.

I’m not a expert on the nitty gritty of many of these options, but I have invested in them and thus I have to know what I am buying into.


29 posted on 11/11/2015 4:02:45 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat
So, let's say I start a community movement and we want to (literally) shut down the local high school by using the ownership tactic ...

A bank or some institution would have to be the one demanding everybody out .... or is it an impossible avenue to consider ?

30 posted on 11/11/2015 4:08:02 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
After reading this I feel like the Dog... ;-)


31 posted on 11/11/2015 4:14:57 AM PST by taildragger (Not my Monkey, not my Circus...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They sure are pimping Rubio.


32 posted on 11/11/2015 4:16:12 AM PST by erod (Chicago Conservative | Cruz or Lose!)
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To: erod
It was a Rubio/Rand audience

The opening introductions was very revealing

33 posted on 11/11/2015 4:21:48 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

That’s about the size of it.....as they say...

It’s even more complicated in most cases then I tried to illustrate for you. And not every government affiliate institution is done the same in every state.

I could get into bond holders vs stock holders and insurance companies and the like, but properties are a complicated business because of the risk and costs.

It’s why Trumps bankruptcy’s, regarding some of his projects did not bring him down. developers of his size don’t retain the properties, and those that buy them have the risk spread way out in case of a loss.

No, I would say that you can’t evict a tenant in one of these setups unless they violate their lease contract. In the case of schools, that will never happen as the money comes from tax payers. If they need more money they get it. If the property is outright owned by the State or federal government, it’s a fruitless task to force them to act on something like what you propose. You would have to take the State or the feds to court and make a case, paying for the effort and the attorneys, travel, etc..and then losing, which you would have to appeal to a higher court. even to the Supreme court if you have a constitutional case.


34 posted on 11/11/2015 4:25:33 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: lefty-lie-spy
Yup. Ted Cruz is lockstep with almost every ideal I have learned or grown into as a proud Constitutional Conservative. I can’t think of any muck-ups he’s given us since he came on the stage as a true conservative those five or so years ago. If he keeps up talking like this, he’s got a helluva great chance at clinching the presidency. Rush Limbaugh must be thinking much the same thing. He always says the conservatives should choose the most conservative person that is also electable. Cruz is definitely that guy

I agree. After last night's performance, look for the Democrat Super PAC known as the mainstream media to start digging into his past. As is the case with Ben Carson, we'll soon be seeing stories of how he once talked back to his teacher in the 7th grade, or taped a baseball game without the expressed written consent of the Commissioner of Baseball. Certainly anyone who would do these things is unfit for the presidency.

35 posted on 11/11/2015 4:25:51 AM PST by GreenHornet
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To: knarf

In my neck of the woods, the only entity that could shut a school down and even they would need higher authority approvals, perhaps even the federal government in some case, would be the School Board.

If you could prove,for example that there was asbestos contamination or lead paint all over the place, they would have to look at remediation first, then if the price is too high, they might float a bond issue and build a new school.

But that’s the only reason I have seen schools shut down.

Other reasons might be a lack of students and more schools than they need.


36 posted on 11/11/2015 4:32:19 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: knarf

“I’ve been wondering for the last couple of weeeks ....

I have a deed to my property with our names on it as owners ...

Whose name is on the deed to the property and/or school building ?

Usually the County where it is located, some times the city

Does the physical plant actually belong to anyone and if so .... who ?

See above.


37 posted on 11/11/2015 4:38:12 AM PST by Paperpusher
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To: Cold Heat

I guess I don’t like the way you do things is not an effective reason, eh ?


38 posted on 11/11/2015 4:48:55 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: lewislynn
Ted Cruz is a weenie that likes to hear himself talk.

You would know a lot about weenies, I'll bet.

39 posted on 11/11/2015 5:14:20 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: lewislynn

Wow, even you tag line is anti-Cruz? You make a habit of slamming conservatives? What a joke.


40 posted on 11/11/2015 5:18:16 AM PST by catfish1957 (I display the Confederate Battle Flag with pride in honor of my brave ancestors who fought w/ valor)
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