Posted on 10/28/2015 3:18:00 PM PDT by kristinn
Edited on 10/28/2015 4:07:09 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
Two debates tonight on CNBC live from the Coors Event Center at the University of Colorado in Boulder.
The 'kids table' started just after 6 p.m. EDT with Sen. Lindsey Graham (SC), Gov. Bobby Jindal (LA), former Gov. George Pataki (NY), and former Sen. Rick Santorum (PA).
The main event at 8 p.m. EDT will feature Donald Trump (NY), Dr. Ben Carson (Fl), Sen. Marco Rubio (FL), former Gov. Jeb Bush (FL), Carly Fiorina (CA), Sen. Ted Cruz (TX), former Gov. Mike Huckabee (AR), Gov. Chris Christie (NJ), Gov. John Kasich (OH), and Sen. Rand Paul (KY).
Moderators for both debates are: John Harwood, Carl Quintanilla, and Becky Quick.
If I remember correctly, they are supposed to go home and reapply for citizenship. Of course if you live in India, the travel is expensive, but if the employers really valued them then they would pay the airfare. Time to lean on the employers. Like the painting contractor from Atlanta who was paying a Mexican painter I spoke with (in Spanish) who was earning $4 an hour in 2006 to paint rebuilds in coastal Alabama after Katrina. Oh, I guess most contractors are GOP, so I guess that will never happen.
I foolishly believed that everyone, here, would know what I was referring to; especially when I posted about Chandra and her murder.
We are now likely 50% post 2008
It’s weird
We need a chronology blog to send them to
The evolution of the forum
I find myself trying to explain it to folks and people don’t believe me
Is that U of IL or U of IN? I know U of IL’s enrollment is actually down a bit, but in a quick search I can’t find anything on enrollment numbers in their STEM programs.
Other IL State Universities are really hurting in terms of enrollment (see my post above for a link to specifics.)
If enrollment is down, then of course Universities are going to go wherever they can to recruit.
I wonder how many Universities are actually at their physical limits (available classrooms, labs, etc.) for STEM enrollment, and for whatever reason can’t expand? I’ll bet it’s under 1 in 4.
The real problem is that the prevailing wage requirements for foreign workers are not meaningfully enforced & “in the field” those wages are too low. Employers should NOT be allowed (given?) lower labor cost for foreign workers than US workers.
Perhaps we should resurrect Alamo's Girl's WHITEWATER posts too.
U of Il. is taking only THE best of the best from Il. and the rest of the spots go to foreign students. It is VERY difficult to get into now.
My daughter was looking to apply at a college in eastern Washington State. On the application form it had something like:
“Resident”
“Non- Resident”
“Dreamer”
She did a web search on “Dreamer”.
She logged off the application form lickity split - ranting and raving.
Good for your kiddo; she has brains!
Obviously, you did a good job raising her.
Now, there I agree with you. That $12,000 incentive has got to go, and Trump should “trumpet” it.
Actually, quite a few become citizens, but, we DO have a major problem with overstayed Visas, and Trump should address it.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
I was referring to Univ. of Illinois. I don’t believe the total enrollment numbers at UofI are down—tho they certainly are for in-state UofI students (Illinois residents).
Other regional schools such as Northern Illinois and Eastern Illinois may have some total enrollment decreases based on your links, and that would not surprise me given those schools’ policies and Illinois finances.
However, unless things have changed drastically, UofI turns away many students—and students are discouraged from applying unless they meet certain criteria...so if its enrollment ever were to drop, UofI could conceivably just loosen up the admission requirements a point or two rather than go abroad to recruit...Historically, many IL students who apply and are turned away. I think they want the Chinese and other foreign nationals for the full-ride tuition— $$$$$ follow the money.
This policy of taking foreign nationals may be OK at a private school, but why are Illinois residents paying to support these schools if their own students can’t attend?
Here is an excerpt from the article you linked to and referred me to: The contraction is most acute at schools other than the University of Illinois.
As I said, I don’t think UofI has enrollment contraction issues.
Here is an article (there are several) regarding Chinese (and other foreign student recruitment at UofI.
Title: University of China at Illinois
Excerpt from article:
UIUC enrolls nearly 5,000 students from China, more than any other U.S. university. Nationally, the number of Chinese students in the U.S. has risen fivefold since 2000 – driven by a big increase in the number of Chinese students going overseas for their undergraduate degrees – but even against that backdrop of growth the expansion of the Chinese student population at Illinois’s public flagship university has been remarkable: a university that enrolled just 37 undergraduates from the People’s Republic in 2000 enrolls 2,898 today. Nearly a tenth of this fall’s freshman class – 684 students – hail from China. There are more freshmen from China than there are, combined, from 48 of the 50 states, all save for Illinois and California.
Even at the graduate level, where there was a larger base to begin with, UIUC’s Chinese student enrollment has more than tripled, from 649 in 2000 to 1,973 this fall.
The 4,898 Chinese students make up the largest group of international students on Illinois’s campus, followed distantly by students from South Korea (1,268 this fall) and India (1,167).
So nickname of UofI is University of China at Illinois. Most students are studying business management or engineering/other math sciences
I am from Illinois, so I keep an eye on Illinois issues. My beef is that UofI is so intent on courting Chinese foreign nationals that they are actually going to China to recruit—on my tax dollar. I was out to dinner with my 50- year-old brother last week. We were discussing UofI. He went to UofI for Chemical Engineering and had a high school GPA of 3.0 (if that). He stated that today, there is no way he would have even been considered let alone admitted to UofI. As IL residents, our taxes are going to support that school, yet many of our students are not admitted.
Then these students get hired by tech firms who can save $12,000 by hiring them over US citizens...Now those firms are whining and wanting to hire more foreign national students and workers...Life ain’t fair—especially in America STEM careers in 2015 :(
Time for a change!
Well... It looks simple because many things have been shunted “off the card”. For example, what does the new EIC schedule look like, and would it not have to be attached?
For a small business, income determination can be very complex. Will this be addressed? HOW can this be addressed?
The Cruz plan is to eliminate depreciation worksheets, evidently? How’s that going to work? Sometimes spreading out deductions for costs makes a great deal of sense (even tho’ I hate the complexity of some of the depreciation rules.)
With no IRS, how are cheats found and dealt with?
I suppose I could go for a 10,000 word limit for the tax code, to never be exceeded, but you know Congress will never adhere to such a thing, any more than they adhere to debt limits.
God knows, if we can’t get rid of income tax, it should be simplified, but I’d rather see some form of end user national sales tax, with lowered or zero rates on basic food & housing.
You are a beta I can tell by your posts
jenny, don’t let one angry person who hasn’t thought this all the way through sour YOU. I’m willing to bet you are a terrific citizen and a great asset to this country.
what college?
I turned of this debate and went to bed. Good to see this morning that the MSM is the biggest loser. Trump should have fired John Harwood.
Good to see Ted Cruz getting some tv time this morning. His performance may have been the best.
Stats say that Carly got the most “face” time.
The article seems to indicate less contraction at U of IL than other IL schools, but the wording leaves some room for differing interpretation:
The contraction is most acute at schools other than the University of Illinois.
Does that mean "less contraction" or "no contraction"? I guess we need actual numbers, but, I've not been able to find them.
Of course, U of IL has always been hard to get in to. Over 40 years ago I was in the top 5% of my high school class, at a very good school, much better than that on my ACT, maybe 5th or 6th percentile on the SAT, and I doubt I'd have gotten in. No matter, I could not have afforded it, anyway.
To me, the bottom line as a taxpayer would be: Does U of IL make enough money from foreign students' tuition and fees to ENTIRELY cover the cost of educating them without State support, and if U of IL is "full", are there other options? If yes, then there is little cause to complain about how many foreign students they recruit. And at least at present, IL resident students have other options. My nephew is a freaking (computer) genius & straight A student: He went into computer engineering at Northwestern over U of IL. After 2 years he left & took an IT job for IIRC ~$85k a year. (His parents were unhappy, but he figured he could not pass it up.)
If "no", well, then you have a legit gripe!
The thing to remember here (again assuming foreign students are fully paying their way) is that U of IL is still over 90% US students. State funding should be dependent only on the number of students from IL - and if it's not, then that'd be a good area for Rauner to jump into.
There is no "may" about the enrollment decreases at the other schools. EIU, the worst, apparently, is down nearly 30%. The article lists the causes pretty succinctly, although it fails to include the steep rise in tuition & fees of past years, comparing those costs only in a general way to neighboring states.
Sure, the 2nd tier schools are not as prestigious, but, one can get a perfectly good education there if one applies themselves. For average students, their GPA will likely be better, too (which employers may take into account, but no employer I ever ran into really cared which school I'd gone to.)
If Trump follows his immigration position paper, filling in a couple gray areas I've mentioned in other posts, and dumps that $12,000 hiring bonus nonsense, as a STEM with a daughter who's likely to be a STEM too, I'll be happy with him on this issue.
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