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Donald Trump Delenda Est
Red State ^ | October 27, 2015 | Leon Wolf

Posted on 10/27/2015 2:01:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

I got an email from a conservative Hill staffer who is generally supportive of Trump yesterday in response to the Monday edition of the RedState Morning Briefing. The email said, verbatim, “Do you guys write anything but anti-Trump articles anymore?” I want to try to answer what I think this question was asking as honestly and without rancor as I can, and explain why I, in particular, keep coming back to the subject of Trump and the danger he poses.

First, I think it is facially obvious just by clicking on the RedState front page that we write about a whole lot that has absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump. Over the weekend, Trump went on a much-covered media blitz during which he did and said several newsworthy (not in a positive way) things. So we were not alone in spending significant time covering Trump’s remarks about Carson, Hillary, Ford Motor Company, and the rest of the GOP field in fairly great detail over the weekend. Even so, we had numerous posts over the weekend about Hillary, the VA Scandal, Seattle’s minimum wage hike, College Football, Ben Carson, and even St. Crispin’s Day.

That having been said, the person who asked this question was really asking why we have had so many negative articles about Trump recently, and that’s a fair question, even granted the outsized portion of media attention that Trump commands. Here I will speak only for myself: I write about Trump so much because I consider him to be an existential threat to the conservative movement – a greater existential threat than any candidate currently running for President, including Hillary. Let me explain.

Let me first of all establish some bona fides, so people know where I am coming from here. I am not one of those people who says they are conservative yet always ends up supporting the establishment candidate when the chips are down. I’ve been writing at RedState here for over 10 years now and all of what I’m about to say is a matter of public record even if some of it is in archives that I’m no longer able to search effectively. In literally every contest that’s occurred since 2008 I’ve stood publicly against liberal establishment candidates in primaries whenever there was an even marginally more conservative option available. Going back in history:

I supported Chris McDaniel against Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS) 37% in Mississippi.

I supported Matt Bevin against Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) 57% in Kentucky.

I supported Milton Wolf over Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) 58% in Kansas.

I supported Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) 100% over Dewhurst and have repeatedly supported every one of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) 100%‘s crusades against Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) 57% in the Senate.

I supported Richard Mourdock over Dick Lugar in Indiana.

I supported Rubio over Crist in Florida.

I supported Toomey over Specter and called Newt Gingrich an establishment sellout for siding with Specter.

I could go on, but I don’t want to belabor the point – the point being, I am not one of the people who has looked down their noses at tea party members or conservatives who have become fed up with the status quo in Washington and who have mounted campaigns in support of “extremist” conservative challengers. Rather, I have long been one of those people who has had the Establishment looking down their nose at me. Look at that list again – that’s a public record of supporting the more conservative challenger pretty much every time I had the opportunity – including some challengers who suffered some embarrassingly huge losses in both the primary and the general.

Look, the people who look at the fact that I oppose Trump and therefore automatically assume that I’m a RINO or establishment hack are so embarrassingly far off the mark that it’s hard to know where to begin responding. I don’t oppose Trump because I’m opposed to insurgent conservative candidates; I oppose Trump because I support insurgent conservative candidates.

I have made a public career of supporting conservative challengers to liberal Republicans. Donald Trump is not one of these. Not only is he not one of these, but he is a freeloading cancer on the movement as a whole. He has misappropriated the credit for the accomplishments of others, he has pretended to be the standard bearer for a movement he does not even belong to, and if he wins the nomination, the evidence suggests that he will suddenly lose his fighting spirit when confronted with his good friend Hillary as opposed to actual conservative Republicans.

The reason we spent so much digital ink on Trump this weekend is this: while you might not have been watching, Donald Trump concluded that he’s already won the Republican nomination, and is letting his general election flag fly. And that flag has a giant donkey on it, as Noah Rothman at Commentary correctly notes:

As Trump has encountered a potent rival in the form of Dr. Ben Carson, he has taken to differentiating himself from the candidate by, among other things like attacking his “energy” level and questioning his faith, contending that Carson would reform entitlements. “Ben Carson wants to abolish Medicare – I want to save it and Social Security,” Trump wrote on his Twitter account on Sunday evening. This was a flip-flop in record time. Not hours ago, Trump appeared on ABC News where he was asked if he would support health savings accounts in order to render Medicare unnecessary. “Well, it’s possible,” he told host George Stephanopoulos. “I think it’s a very good idea, and it’s an idea whose probably time has come.” Apparently that time came and went in the interim between breakfast and dinner on Sunday.

A creature of the media, it is rarely wise to underestimate Trump’s willingness to parrot the dominant narrative in the press. The latest and least well-founded contention among media professionals is that the Benghazi select committee’s questioning of Hillary Clinton was a total bust for Republicans. Given the gravity of the revelations about Clinton’s conduct and the administration’s knowledge of the nature of the attacks while they were ongoing, much of which was revealed at that marathon hearing, this claim is nothing short of a rearguard action to shield Clinton from criticism. Leave it to the Republican Party’s presidential frontrunner to legitimize this media narrative. “It was very partisan, and it looked quite partisan,” Trump averred on CNN on Sunday amid his endless whirlwind media tour. Maybe, but it was also quite productive. Moreover, most Republicans on the panel (and Democrat Rep. Tammy Duckworth (D-IL) 19%, to her credit) behaved in a dispassionate and prosecutorial manner. To give succor to the liberal narrative that this was a partisan exercise lends validity to the Democratic contention that Hillary Clinton emerged a “winner” out of a process that should be immune to such parochial characterizations.

And what of the fevered passions with which Trump-backing conservatives decry the apparition of “amnesty” for illegal immigrants, the specter of which haunts their imaginations and crowds out virtually any objective or rational thought. In an interview with Larry King, Trump was asked if his unfeasibly aggressive deportation proposals have any redeeming character in the form of compassion for those families he proposes to break up. “We will do something that will be done with heart,” Trump vowed. He added, however, that he would not be more specific. “I don’t want to comment on that one right now, Larry, because that’s the sort of a question where I just don’t want to answer it right now,” Trump said. He has already claimed that he would reintroduce the “good” illegal residents he deports in some expedited fashion. Perhaps this is the start of Trump’s embrace of a pathway to grant amnesty to this population that avoids the cost and redundancy of his imagined re-importation process.

Trump’s retreat on immigration should not surprise anyone who is acquainted with Donald Trump’s liberal predispositions. Trump has in the not-too-distant past called Jeb Bush a “bright, tough and principled” Republican, scolded Mitt Romney for the callousness of his contention that illegal immigrants should face conditions in America that compel them to “self-deport,” and told a group of DREAMERs (the non-citizen children of illegal immigrants) that they had “convinced” him to support their pursuit of full, unqualified citizenship.

All the reasons conservatives purport to oppose Hillary can also be said of Trump. Every liberal position she holds, Trump likewise holds or has held within the last ten years. Now that the mask is slipping on Trump, there’s no indication that he would govern as anything other than an exceptionally liberal Republican. Such a man is not worth detonating the entire coalition over, or burning at the stake every other actually conservative Republican, as Trump has done.

And while Trump has acted as a one man wrecking ball within the coalition, setting us all against each other with his petulant, insulting style, observe how the Democrats are behaving: with the exception of some college students who will inevitably fall in line, they are circling the wagons around their inevitable nominee in spite of serious questions about her ideological commitment to their cause, as well as her fundamental honesty and trustworthiness. That is no reason for us to do the same for a candidate on our side, but it is a good reason to wonder whether the Democrats, in our position, would accept as a standard-bearer whether they’d just let some guy walk in off the street to claim their nomination who had no background in their movement and no apparent understanding of, or interest in, their principles, and who frequently parroted our narratives instead of their own. There’s no set of circumstances under which the Democrats would let Arnold Schwarzenegger walk into their party tomorrow and become their Presidential front runner.

Here is the truth as I see it with respect to the upcoming election: I suspect (although I would happily hope to be proven wrong) that if Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) 100% is chosen by the voters as the Republican nominee for President, that he will lose in the general election in grand fashion. And you know what? I’m completely okay with that result, if it comes to that – because in the process, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) 100% will go down fighting for the conservative values that we as a movement have stood for all these years.

He will go down (if it comes to that) carrying the banner of small government and speaking prophetically about the dangers of our current path. And though he might not win, we can at least hope that, as with Goldwater in 1964, his campaign will sow the intellectual seeds of an electoral movement that can change the future path of America.

Trump, on the other hand, has already cast aside any conservative principle of note (or, worse, shows no ability to even understand conservative principles). His nomination will result only in embarrassment for not just the party, but the movement that will be seen to have bolstered him. His inevitable, embarrassing flameout will discredit for generations the tea party and conservative movement as a whole. The best final result of a Trump general election candidacy will be the banishment (possibly self imposed) of conservatives from the bargaining table, with some not inconsiderable portion of them forming a transient and impotent third party that serves to grease the skids for the permanent advancement of European socialism into America as Democrats quickly reassert wholesale control over every level of government.

If Hillary wins, it will be bad, and it will have long lasting consequences, but we will (maybe) be able to recover as a movement and a cohesive political force and undo some of the damage that has been done. If Trump is nominated – or worse, wins – the consequences will be more permanent because the conservative movement will be forever hitched to his dumpster fire campaign.

And yes, Trump will likewise permanently discredit the anti-amnesty movement as a political force in America, if he is nominated. It is politically possible to be opposed to amnesty in such a way that you do not alienate the growing Hispanic voting bloc in America; however, Trump has already demonstrated that he utterly lacks the finesse to pull such a maneuver off. Trump’s bluster to the contrary, Trump is absolutely hated by Hispanic voters, worse than virtually any politician of either party in the country. Even in the unlikely event that he survives a general election, he will be unable to accomplish anything he proposes, either due to lack of political will (he cannot unilaterally build the wall he so lavishly promises) or because of, you know, math. Even if he wins, he will exit office having failed to produce on his promises but having nonetheless poisoned the ever-expanding well of Hispanic voters against the GOP anyway.

Savvy people who truly believe that illegal immigration is the number one threat facing America ought to be running away from Trump as though he were physically on fire; however, like the folks who believe that sending a message to Washington is the number one goal of the upcoming election, they are unable to see how Trump is such a fatally flawed vessel for their aspirations that the higher he rises in their ranks, the lower their entire movement becomes in the public eyes.

There’s a certain visceral joy Trump supporters take at being the only ones who “get” the phenomenon of their candidate. They love the fact that the folks they deride as the so-called #GOPSmartSet are so infuriated by Trump’s persistence atop the polls, and I suspect that this, as much as anything, is what’s keeping him there. And I definitely get so mad at McConnell, et al sometimes that I understand the temptation to cut off my nose and everyone else’s just to spite our collective faces.

But at the end of the day this impulse, if left unchecked, will destroy the last functional opposition to socialism in this country, and that’s why it must be stopped. And that’s why, as long as Trump remains a threat to win the nomination, he will be a threat to this country, and I will continue to oppose him as loudly and strenuously as I can.

I expected, coming into this primary season, to spend months on a strenuous fight to reject the establishment’s attempt to force the milquetoast and uninspiring Jeb Bush candidacy down our collective throats. I’m as unhappy as anyone that instead I get to spend my time fighting a threat to conservatism that is a thousand times worse. But because I actually believe in the principles the Trump supporters claim to be fighting for, I can’t stop fighting against him.


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KEYWORDS: 2016; conservatism; elections; gopprimary; trump; trumprebellion
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
I believe that there is a pro-conservative agenda at work on FR - for me, Donald Trump is reprehensible, unfit and blatantly uncredentialed to lead a conservative push to restore our Republic. The troops have been turning states red and Trump is a slap in the face to their hard fought and won, principled work.

You should post that underlined portion with your future posts in the interest of 'full disclosure'.

If the trend continues and Trump IS the nominee, can we depend on your support?
61 posted on 10/27/2015 4:29:10 AM PDT by mkjessup (Trump is kicking the ass of the GOPe, RINOs & the media. Don't like him? He must be kicking YOUR ass)
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To: Mollypitcher1
THREE THINGS HE WILL DEFINITELY DO!.....

You declare this based on what?

62 posted on 10/27/2015 4:30:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: mkjessup

I make no secret of my conservatism.

Never have.

Never will.


63 posted on 10/27/2015 4:31:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

most pathetic thread of 2015.. who posted this crap?


64 posted on 10/27/2015 4:33:06 AM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How can YOU declare that he WON’T?

You can play this game of ‘prove (insert candidate’s name here) will do what he says!’ all day long, but the fact is NOBODY can ‘prove’ or ‘declare’ that any candidate will follow through with their campaign promises, any more than you can predict next week’s lotto numbers.

It depends on voters having FAITH in their candidate of choice and you’ve already shown your colors, we know you hate Trump, so why do you keep wasting everyone’s time? Do you think you’re going to peel away Trump supporters?

Good luck with that.


65 posted on 10/27/2015 4:33:32 AM PDT by mkjessup (Trump is kicking the ass of the GOPe, RINOs & the media. Don't like him? He must be kicking YOUR ass)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I make no secret of my conservatism.
Never have.
Never will.


You didn't answer the question: "If Trump is the nominee, will he have your support?"

A simple yes or no will suffice.
66 posted on 10/27/2015 4:35:09 AM PDT by mkjessup (Trump is kicking the ass of the GOPe, RINOs & the media. Don't like him? He must be kicking YOUR ass)
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To: SoFloFreeper

LMAO they even have the Terminator mentioned in this thing.. what a waste of bandwidth


67 posted on 10/27/2015 4:36:07 AM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: mkjessup

It’s not a game.

There is a reason to vet candidates - to look at their history and record.


68 posted on 10/27/2015 4:36:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: mkjessup
If the trend continues and Trump IS the nominee, can we depend on your support?

Who in the world is "we?"

The Democratic National Committee?

I don't see Trump as a conservative or even a moderate, he's more like what he's always been - a liberal.

So I cannot envision him as my nominee, but the Left is slobbering over that possibility.

69 posted on 10/27/2015 4:39:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: MayflowerMadam; All
“Well here you go again...posting another “hate Trump” article.”

Mrs. Cincinatus obviously is eager to see the demise of America so continues with obsessive anti-Trump drivel.

Trump isn’t the 100% perfect candidate for most of us, but he is the best of the lot of GOP candidates. I would think that Mrs. C. recognize that Trump is the ONLY one of the lot who could be even moderately successful at taking down the wicked witch PIAPS in the general.

Having a short-term goal (no Trump) is fine for CW, but we need to focus on the Big Picture, i.e., the results of the general election and the future of America. Walker, Cruz, etc., could not survive the evil Hillary will impose on them. Trump is a fighter and he takes no crap from anyone. I pray for him, his security detail, and his Kevlar every day.


*** BUMP *** !!!

Well said MM, well said indeed.

What CW fails to understand is that if it were not for Trump, we would be hearing nothing but GOPe news releases about how Jebuardo Bush is the 'inevitable' nominee, and they would be scattering roses before his pathetic RINO-rump with pre-coronation celebrations.

For that alone, Trump deserves credit and acclamation.
70 posted on 10/27/2015 4:40:22 AM PDT by mkjessup (Trump is kicking the ass of the GOPe, RINOs & the media. Don't like him? He must be kicking YOUR ass)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
There is a reason to vet candidates - to look at their history and record.

Why bother? Your mind was already made up. Your persistent hate-Trump postings are nothing but an attempt to justify yourself.
71 posted on 10/27/2015 4:41:25 AM PDT by mkjessup (Trump is kicking the ass of the GOPe, RINOs & the media. Don't like him? He must be kicking YOUR ass)
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To: mkjessup

A simple question for you:

If Trump wasn’t polling high numbers, would you support him?


72 posted on 10/27/2015 4:41:45 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: mkjessup

BINGO!


73 posted on 10/27/2015 4:42:37 AM PDT by ASA Vet (PMOS - 98C40K3, SMOS - 96B40, AMOS - 32G)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Once again, you're dodging the question in a style worthy of Hillary Rotten Clinton herself.

Q - IF Donald Trump is the GOP nominee, will you (Cincinatus' Wife) support and vote for him?

A - YES (__)

A - NO (__)

Is that simple enough for you?
74 posted on 10/27/2015 4:44:07 AM PDT by mkjessup (Trump is kicking the ass of the GOPe, RINOs & the media. Don't like him? He must be kicking YOUR ass)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A simple question for you:
If Trump wasn’t polling high numbers, would you support him?


Answer my question in my #74, and I'll answer yours.
75 posted on 10/27/2015 4:45:21 AM PDT by mkjessup (Trump is kicking the ass of the GOPe, RINOs & the media. Don't like him? He must be kicking YOUR ass)
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To: dennisw
And he wasted 1000 words telling us this.

Disappointing. I thought I didn't read more than that.

76 posted on 10/27/2015 4:45:46 AM PDT by Stentor ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.")
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To: mkjessup

Cute.


77 posted on 10/27/2015 4:46:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The candidate is not the problem, the people are.

Ignorant populace, saturated with liberalism over the past century by media and academia.

Conservatives whose exposure to politics is largely in selected online forums or among their peers offline, do not grasp the horror. They need to spend a few hours a day talking to the man on the street, or the coed.

This country is done, over, doomed. Trump can win but he can’t repair America. He’s a winner, he’s got a lot of money, and the other guy’s a jerk; that’s his campaign in three phrases. Think about that: he can WIN with that.

There are no good options. Cruz would have no better coalition than Trump would. Cruz can’t save America either.

We slaughter infants by the millions. We don’t resist invasion. We celebrate perversion. We financially support and protect the undeserving and the outright enemies of our nation (media, muslims, moochers, invaders, politicians, etc).
This won’t end well. There aren’t enough people remaining who know how to end it well, and have the courage to end it well.
So settle back and type on. Point and blame. Come Election Day, fingertips will perform at the polls. What the Founders would have done with their fingertips — don’t think about that!

It’s a Fingertip Generation, mocking Pajama Boy.

And PJ Boy will vote for rich daddy too. Doesn’t that make anyone nervous? No.


78 posted on 10/27/2015 4:47:48 AM PDT by Buttons12
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To: grania

The only thing that’s going to save the US is a real force of nature, a flawed hero! Trump is that person. He can start by building the wall, sending home those in the US illegally, and demanding US jobs for US citizens.

Those are the issues that have to be solved ASAP or there is no nation to save.


This basic idea that you have posted here has been posted thousands of times in thousands of different ways here in FR and yet the Trump critics here in FR either ignore it completely or shrug it off as if it wasn’t important.


79 posted on 10/27/2015 4:48:43 AM PDT by samtheman (2014: Voters elect Repubs to congress... 2015: Repubs defund NOTHING... 2016: Trump/(Cruz or Palin))
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To: mkjessup

I know the answer to my question posed to you.

You’re supporting Trump because you think he can win (it runs no deeper).

I don’t have an answer for you. I’ll let you know on election day. For now I view him as wet blanket for our side’s chances of taking the White House.


80 posted on 10/27/2015 4:48:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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