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BEN CARSON SAYS WE NEED A GUEST WORKER PROGRAM BECAUSE AMERICANS JUST WON’T WORK HARDER JOBS
the rightscoop ^ | September 11, 2015 | By soopermexican

Posted on 09/12/2015 12:16:50 PM PDT by Hojczyk

In this interview with Greta on Fox News, Ben Carson explained why he thought Trump’s “deport em all” policy was unworkable and why a guest worker program makes more sense.

Watch below:

http://therightscoop.com/ben-carson-says-we-need-a-guest-worker-program-because-americans-just-wont-work-harder-jobs/

I’m not sure I agree completely with Ben Carson on that – as far as I’ve heard, the component price of produce having to do with labor is about 10%. So DOUBLING the wages you pay someone would only mean a 10% raise in the price of tomatoes. Would Americans be willing to pick tomatoes if they were paid $15-$20 an hour? I have a feeling they would.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2016election; 2ndgopdebate; aliens; amnesty; bencarson; breaking; cantbepresident; carson; carsoncrashes; economy; election2016; frontpage; immigration; jobs; mexico; newyork; trump
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To: MSF BU

I love the idea of prison labor. Good honest work, and they should be paid so that they do better than the slackers who refuse. They will also come out with a trade and patience. You want to be part of free society? Prove it.


161 posted on 09/12/2015 3:26:46 PM PDT by Yaelle (Trump would make a Gorbachev tear down a wall.)
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To: conservativejoy

50% STEM graduates are underemployed. But yes, just what we need is even more cheap labor from where ever.


162 posted on 09/12/2015 3:31:00 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: Hojczyk

I recall when I was a kid back in the midwest that groups of workers would travel from place to place depending on the harvest schedule and could get work for many months that way.


163 posted on 09/12/2015 3:31:05 PM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Hojczyk

Well, he just lost my support


164 posted on 09/12/2015 3:32:17 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Personal Responsibility

It might go up 10 %. Certainly not 50%.


165 posted on 09/12/2015 3:32:31 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Go to seasonal supply and available labor, and suddenly a different pricing scheme emerges.

If you want a fresh tomato in the middle of winter, then expect to pay for it.


166 posted on 09/12/2015 3:33:33 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their Victory!)
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To: Jan_Sobieski; P-Marlowe

Good point. We already have a guest worker program. It raises the question whether Ben Carson understands the difference between a legal and an illegal working in America.

Beyond that, it is as has been said. Price the labor at the cost an American will accept it, and I guarantee the work will get done. Make it 50 an hour, and maybe I’ll do it.

Or, as 2ndDivisionVet says, ‘automation’. Make it 50 an hour and I guarantee we’ll start getting those bounceable, tennis ball tomatoes. Yum. Dry grainy pulp throughout from first to last bite.


167 posted on 09/12/2015 3:38:35 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their Victory!)
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To: Hojczyk

Carson...Jeb’s stalking horse .


168 posted on 09/12/2015 3:39:44 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: gleeaikin

As the late KennyBunk told me, its too late to be talking common sense.

The whole damn thing spiraled way beyond technical fixes 20 years ago.

A few points....

- the police in Mexico have been corrupt since the Spaniards arrived. Its a feature of macho culture: he who is strong takes from the weak. Its utterly opposite AngloProtestant culture, which is why America looks the way it does, and all of Central and South America looks the way IT does.

- under any guest worker program, will “hispanics” be afforded privileges under affirmative action? Will they be counted in the census, and will their ethicity be used to further discriminate against the Americans?

- will their children born here have citizenship? Remember, they will be legal residents.

I could go on and on. The money spent to police and deport people could just as easily be spent as foreign aid. Its a small amount. Every time it has been suggested, the problem has been that the Mexican ruling class will steal the money, any way they can. They have to: they would be considered weak if they didnt.

The drug trafficers magnified all this by 10000% as you said. For the mafias (thats what they’re called in Mexico, not cartels) I recommend napalm and ruthless extinction. Legalization of pot could help, but they will simply move on to something worse. They’re a cancer on the Americas in need of excision.

And in all this, did anyone mention encouraging and enabling us Americans to have more children, bigger families? We used to. If we’re in need of people, its simple: make more of us, not import aliens.


169 posted on 09/12/2015 3:44:38 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Hojczyk

In the olden days STARVATION was a great motivator to find work.


170 posted on 09/12/2015 3:45:57 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: jwalsh07

Ben would not have shot Michael Brown, the charging thug going for the officers gun.

Ben would implement a guest worker program to satisfy the establishment.

Was never sold, but thank’s Ben for making it easy. Time for you to go away.


171 posted on 09/12/2015 3:48:07 PM PDT by Eddie01
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To: Hojczyk

I’m sure we can all just imagine the hordes of self deporting south Americans dutifully surrendering their expired work visas on their way back home. My dog just threw his paws in the air and left the room.


172 posted on 09/12/2015 3:50:35 PM PDT by topfile
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To: Eddie01

Also, his views on guns need exposure.


173 posted on 09/12/2015 3:56:50 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Resettozero

How’s that?


174 posted on 09/12/2015 3:58:01 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BenLurkin

Yep - quit paying Americans not to work, and rather quickly Americans will be begging to do the jobs Americans won’t do.


175 posted on 09/12/2015 3:58:58 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: gleeaikin

Here’s a problem that I’ve not seen addressed despite several VERY good & informative posts on this thread:

Even legal immigrant workers are sending a lot of the $$ they earn, home, rather than spending it here. Citizen workers spend almost all of their money here (neglecting for the moment citizen gifts to relatives overseas, and our already problematic balance of trade, before the above is added in.)

I have no problem with bringing in limited numbers of very talented people willing to become citizens, or at least permanent residents, as long as they are paid commensurate to their talent. Ditto for spouses of long term US citizens, which citizens are proven to be productive citizens. (That’s how it actually is supposed to work - when I married a woman overseas and brought her over, some years back I had to PROVE I could support her indefinitely.) (It worked well: She is a blessing to both me AND this country.)

When it comes to most labor, however, we presently have a tremendous oversupply, coupled with a system willing to increasingly support those who just want to get by (on gov’t largesse, often phony “disability” payments, and so on.)

It IS true that many jobs in AG are short term. I suppose most people are not old enough to recall a time when most migrant workers were US citizens. But, that could work again. (Maybe make low interest loans on purchases by US citizens of 10 yr. old Ford Explorers with trailer hitches and light weight campers, with pay to be by debit cards good only for goods and services or that loan repayment (ie., not cashable, or cashable on in small amounts each month.) Or, as often happens now, have farmers provide the housing, but include a farmer operated and paid program to cover housing during off-season(s). If I have to pay 5 cents more per apple, so be it. I come out way ahead in other areas, and my country does too.


176 posted on 09/12/2015 4:05:36 PM PDT by Paul R.
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To: Parmy

“Starving is a great motivator.”

Starving AND the FEAR of not having any money to pay rent, gas etc. Effing leeches who monkey off my hard work should just starve and die.


177 posted on 09/12/2015 4:19:45 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Hojczyk
Guessing this is the issue with my company laying off thousands and replacing with H1B visa workers. We just don't want to do the hard labor of Information Technology.
178 posted on 09/12/2015 4:23:32 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Hojczyk

He may have a point. How many heavy work trades jobs are going unfilled, even as young men and women don’t bother looking for work. It’s way easier to work a bit and file for unemployment, or file for Social Security Disability for any number of ‘ailments’. Beats heck out of working for a living.


179 posted on 09/12/2015 4:25:57 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Regulator
And in all this, did anyone mention encouraging and enabling us Americans to have more children, bigger families? We used to. If we’re in need of people, its simple: make more of us, not import aliens.

One factor is that it's simply become too expensive (or jobs don't pay enough) for most couples to have several kids, if one is not on the gov't teat. My wife and I planned to have 3 children (2 by us and adopt 1). But the "economic reality" of 2008 - 10, for us, a very middle class family (the industry I was in collapsed), meant we could only have 1, and now my wife is past her childbearing years. (Granted, we got married / started late.)

But, that's an aside. Presently the US has a tremendous labor surplus.

180 posted on 09/12/2015 4:27:14 PM PDT by Paul R.
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