Posted on 09/12/2015 12:16:50 PM PDT by Hojczyk
I love the idea of prison labor. Good honest work, and they should be paid so that they do better than the slackers who refuse. They will also come out with a trade and patience. You want to be part of free society? Prove it.
50% STEM graduates are underemployed. But yes, just what we need is even more cheap labor from where ever.
I recall when I was a kid back in the midwest that groups of workers would travel from place to place depending on the harvest schedule and could get work for many months that way.
Well, he just lost my support
It might go up 10 %. Certainly not 50%.
Go to seasonal supply and available labor, and suddenly a different pricing scheme emerges.
If you want a fresh tomato in the middle of winter, then expect to pay for it.
Good point. We already have a guest worker program. It raises the question whether Ben Carson understands the difference between a legal and an illegal working in America.
Beyond that, it is as has been said. Price the labor at the cost an American will accept it, and I guarantee the work will get done. Make it 50 an hour, and maybe I’ll do it.
Or, as 2ndDivisionVet says, ‘automation’. Make it 50 an hour and I guarantee we’ll start getting those bounceable, tennis ball tomatoes. Yum. Dry grainy pulp throughout from first to last bite.
Carson...Jeb’s stalking horse .
As the late KennyBunk told me, its too late to be talking common sense.
The whole damn thing spiraled way beyond technical fixes 20 years ago.
A few points....
- the police in Mexico have been corrupt since the Spaniards arrived. Its a feature of macho culture: he who is strong takes from the weak. Its utterly opposite AngloProtestant culture, which is why America looks the way it does, and all of Central and South America looks the way IT does.
- under any guest worker program, will “hispanics” be afforded privileges under affirmative action? Will they be counted in the census, and will their ethicity be used to further discriminate against the Americans?
- will their children born here have citizenship? Remember, they will be legal residents.
I could go on and on. The money spent to police and deport people could just as easily be spent as foreign aid. Its a small amount. Every time it has been suggested, the problem has been that the Mexican ruling class will steal the money, any way they can. They have to: they would be considered weak if they didnt.
The drug trafficers magnified all this by 10000% as you said. For the mafias (thats what they’re called in Mexico, not cartels) I recommend napalm and ruthless extinction. Legalization of pot could help, but they will simply move on to something worse. They’re a cancer on the Americas in need of excision.
And in all this, did anyone mention encouraging and enabling us Americans to have more children, bigger families? We used to. If we’re in need of people, its simple: make more of us, not import aliens.
In the olden days STARVATION was a great motivator to find work.
Ben would not have shot Michael Brown, the charging thug going for the officers gun.
Ben would implement a guest worker program to satisfy the establishment.
Was never sold, but thank’s Ben for making it easy. Time for you to go away.
I’m sure we can all just imagine the hordes of self deporting south Americans dutifully surrendering their expired work visas on their way back home. My dog just threw his paws in the air and left the room.
Also, his views on guns need exposure.
How’s that?
Yep - quit paying Americans not to work, and rather quickly Americans will be begging to do the jobs Americans won’t do.
Here’s a problem that I’ve not seen addressed despite several VERY good & informative posts on this thread:
Even legal immigrant workers are sending a lot of the $$ they earn, home, rather than spending it here. Citizen workers spend almost all of their money here (neglecting for the moment citizen gifts to relatives overseas, and our already problematic balance of trade, before the above is added in.)
I have no problem with bringing in limited numbers of very talented people willing to become citizens, or at least permanent residents, as long as they are paid commensurate to their talent. Ditto for spouses of long term US citizens, which citizens are proven to be productive citizens. (That’s how it actually is supposed to work - when I married a woman overseas and brought her over, some years back I had to PROVE I could support her indefinitely.) (It worked well: She is a blessing to both me AND this country.)
When it comes to most labor, however, we presently have a tremendous oversupply, coupled with a system willing to increasingly support those who just want to get by (on gov’t largesse, often phony “disability” payments, and so on.)
It IS true that many jobs in AG are short term. I suppose most people are not old enough to recall a time when most migrant workers were US citizens. But, that could work again. (Maybe make low interest loans on purchases by US citizens of 10 yr. old Ford Explorers with trailer hitches and light weight campers, with pay to be by debit cards good only for goods and services or that loan repayment (ie., not cashable, or cashable on in small amounts each month.) Or, as often happens now, have farmers provide the housing, but include a farmer operated and paid program to cover housing during off-season(s). If I have to pay 5 cents more per apple, so be it. I come out way ahead in other areas, and my country does too.
“Starving is a great motivator.”
Starving AND the FEAR of not having any money to pay rent, gas etc. Effing leeches who monkey off my hard work should just starve and die.
He may have a point. How many heavy work trades jobs are going unfilled, even as young men and women don’t bother looking for work. It’s way easier to work a bit and file for unemployment, or file for Social Security Disability for any number of ‘ailments’. Beats heck out of working for a living.
One factor is that it's simply become too expensive (or jobs don't pay enough) for most couples to have several kids, if one is not on the gov't teat. My wife and I planned to have 3 children (2 by us and adopt 1). But the "economic reality" of 2008 - 10, for us, a very middle class family (the industry I was in collapsed), meant we could only have 1, and now my wife is past her childbearing years. (Granted, we got married / started late.)
But, that's an aside. Presently the US has a tremendous labor surplus.
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