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To: SeekAndFind
So I guess a Muslim or Jew working at Burger King has the right to refuse me bacon on my double cheeseburger?
To: SeekAndFind
Faggot marriage is just insanity taking hold of the land. It is time for the militia to march.
FTC! ... Free the Clerk!
4 posted on
09/04/2015 8:09:31 AM PDT by
Monterrosa-24
( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47)
To: SeekAndFind
The Nazi’s at Nuremberg said they were following the law.
Our Nazi’s say that Kim Davis should follow the law.
I will not vote for anyone who does not support religious freedom.
That means Trump.
The Kim Davis case has exposed Trump as just another Establishment Republican.
6 posted on
09/04/2015 8:09:39 AM PDT by
Oak Grove
To: SeekAndFind
John Kasich is wrong. The Constitution is the law of the land. The Supreme Court just s interprets the Constitution. The Supreme Court ignored the 1st Amendment of the Constitution, as well as, the 10th Amendment.
To: SeekAndFind
Bush, Christie, Fiorina, Graham, Kasich, and Trump all get an “F” on this one. (Pataki probably also, although he is not quoted here.)
8 posted on
09/04/2015 8:10:50 AM PDT by
Charles Henrickson
(I stand with Kim Davis! I will not comply!)
To: SeekAndFind
Americans will not stand with SODOMITES !
Radical Islamist" dictates from the Oval Office's ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF and his IRANIAN SPY ?
Let us remember WHERE we came from.
Footnote: U.S. Constitution Article I, Section 8: Uniform Immigration Article II, Section 1: President Natural-Born Article III, Section3: Witnesses Article III, Section 3: Attainer Separation of Powers Three Branches of Government Tax-Exemption for Churches Republicanism
And let us NOT FORGET THESE GREAT MEN and
WHAT they SAID !
For what business, in the name of common sense, has the magistrate with our religion?
The state does not have any concern in the matter.
In what manner does it affect society in what outward form we think it best to pay our adoration to God?
The consciences of men are not the objects of human legislation.
In contrast with this spiritual tyranny, how beautiful appears our constitution in disclaiming all jurisdiction over the souls of men,securing by a never-to-be- repealed section the voluntary, unchecked moral persuasion of every person by his own self-directed communication with the Father of spirits!
William Livingston, Constitution Signer
Security under our constitution is given to the rights of conscience and private judgment.
They are by nature subject to no control but that of Deity, a
nd in that free situation they are now left.
John Jay, first Supreme Court Chief Justice
Original Intent of the First Amendment
Fisher Ames provided the wording for the First Amendment in the House of Representatives.
He did not say anything about separation of church and state in his debate, nor may it be inferred as his intent.
In fact, Fisher Ames said something that would be ruled unconstitutional because of the courts modern application of that very phrase, separation of church and state.
He said,Not only should the Bible be in our schools, it should be the primary textbook of our schools. xliv
Earlier, at the time of the Constitutional Convention, the founders discussed the individual rights of American citizens, which would later become the Bill of Rights.
How many times did they mention the phrase separation of church and state?They did not talk about it once.
The phrase separation of church and state was not even introduced into the American vernacular until a little over a decade after the First Amendment was adopted.
The phrase is exactly that - a phrase.
It is not a statute, it is not a law, and it is not an amendment to the Constitution.
It is simply a phrase lifted from a letter written by one of our Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson.
Jefferson was writing to the Danbury Baptist Association on January 1, 1802, in response to a letter whereinthey raised their concerns about religious liberty ever being infringed by the American government.
Jefferson responded that this would not occur because the Constitution builds a wall of separation between Church and State. xlv
So much has been erroneously inferred from that one statement.
Simply stated, Jefferson was using the phrase to describe the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment, which says, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The protection of our rights to live out our faith without government interference is what was being expressed both in the letter and in the First Amendment.
What About Separation of Church & State
The Supreme Court twisted the meaning of the First Amendment by isolating those eight words from this personal letter from Jefferson. xlvi
They did not even consider the letter in its full context. xlvii
Then, in 1962, the Court used the phrase to completely remove God from all governmental institutions. xlviii
It is amazing how the court can ignore history and rewrite it to fulfill their particular agenda and purpose.
Weve Got the Wrong Guy
Perhaps even worse than misapplying Jeffersons words is the fact that Jeffersons words were used in the first placeas a means for discovering the intent of the First Amendment.
Actually, Thomas Jefferson and his words separation of church and state are irrelevant when it comes to interpreting the intended meaning of the First Amendmentbecause Jefferson did not give us the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
When a biographer wrote to Thomas Jefferson, to congratulate him for his influence on the Constitution, his response was,One passage of the paper you enclosed must be corrected.
It is the following.I will say it was yourself more than any other individual that planned and established the Constitution.
xlix
Jefferson pointed out to the biographer thathe was in Europe when the Constitution was planned,
and never saw it
until after it had been established.l
Nor was Thomas Jefferson one of the Congressmen that passed the Bill of Rights, which contains the First Amendment.
So, arguing what the framers intent was by using Thomas Jefferson as an expert witness on the First Amendment
is the same ashaving a murder trial where the judge allows those who were not at the scene of the murder to come forth and tell us what happened.
It is intellectually dishonest
and a piece of cleverly crafted creative history at best, to say that Thomas Jeffersons words provide the intent for the First Amendment.
To understand the original intent of the First Amendment, you must scrutinize the thoughts of those who took part in the debate,the ones who actually gave us the First Amendment.
That debate emphasized the need to avoid another Church of England being established in America.
In other words, they were trying to prevent a national denomination from being forced upon the citizens.
None of their comments reflected intent to separate religious principles from government or from the public square.
Just the opposite:they wanted to foster free expression, not political oppression.
For those who still want to rely on Jefferson as their expert regarding the First Amendment, it should not go unnoticed that
exactly two days after writing his letter to the Danbury Baptists, he attended the weekly church service being held AT the U.S. Capitol.
These were religious services that he had helped to start and faithfully attended throughout the remainder of his presidency.li
It appears that Jeffersons views were far removed from the interpretation of them by our modern courts today.
Would Jefferson,a man who himself established and attended religious services on federal property while holding the office of the President,
really think that it was against the good of our nation or our citizensfor children to pray for their teachers, parents, and country at the beginning of each school day?
You decide.
Notes:xliv. Compiled By Friends, Works of Fisher Ames 134 (Boston: T. B. Wait & Co., 1809).
xlv. Letter to the Danbury Baptist Association (January 1, 1802), in Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Writings 510 (Merril D. Peterson et al. eds., 1984) (1781).
xlvi. Everson v. Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1 (1947).
xlvii. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Danbury Baptist Association, in Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Writings 510 (Merrill D. Peterson et al. eds., 1984) (1802): Believing with youthat religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God,
that he owes account to none other for faith or his worship,
that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions,
I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declaredthat their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,
thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.
l. Engle v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962).
lii. Letter to Dr. Joseph Priestly (Washington ed., 441). < http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/foley-page?id=JCE1686>.
l. Id.
li. William Parker Cutler and Julia Perkins Cutler, Life, Journal, and Correspondence of Rev. Manasseh Cutler (Cincinnati: Colin Robert Clarke & Co., 1888), Vol. II, p. 66, 119,
letter to Joseph Torrey, January 4, 1802. Cutler meant that Jefferson attended church on January 3, 1802, for the first time as President.
Bishop Claggetts letter of February 18, 1801, already revealed that as Vice-President, Jefferson went to church services in the House.
11 posted on
09/04/2015 8:12:06 AM PDT by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: SeekAndFind
The “law of the land”.
Is that like the immigration laws that are being ignored? Are sanctuary cities following the rule of law? How about all the unilateral changes Obama made to Obamacare. Was that following the rule of law?
The rule of law apparently only applies to us little people. So, the Democrats & the GOPe can take their rule of law & stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.
12 posted on
09/04/2015 8:12:31 AM PDT by
Mister Da
(The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
To: SeekAndFind
Rubio’s political fence riding none answer:
We should seek a balance between governments responsibility to abide by the laws of our republic and allowing people to stand by their religious convictions,
13 posted on
09/04/2015 8:12:32 AM PDT by
boycott
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To: SeekAndFind
iCarly, Kasich, and Our Churchill fall right in line with Hillary.
Sooprise, sooprise, sooprise.
15 posted on
09/04/2015 8:13:48 AM PDT by
Colonel_Flagg
("Donald Trump: Quality Conservatism Since 2015.")
To: SeekAndFind
Get a kick out of Graham saying, The Rule of Law is the Rule of Law.” I guess that doesn’t apply to illegal aliens in Graham’s world.
17 posted on
09/04/2015 8:14:08 AM PDT by
kabar
To: SeekAndFind
Okay People, Hillary has opined and said, “end of story.”
That settles it; so let’s move on.
20 posted on
09/04/2015 8:15:05 AM PDT by
Calpublican
(Republican Party Now Stands for Nothing!!!!!(Except Conniving))
To: SeekAndFind
Christians are being jailed for their beliefs.
Half of the candidates are ok with that.
Here are the candidates that have similar views as Trump:
Bush
Fiorina
Kasich
Christie
Graham
Clinton
You can take the boy out of the Democrat party, but you can’t take the democrat party out of the boy.
22 posted on
09/04/2015 8:15:22 AM PDT by
kidd
To: SeekAndFind
Fix that apostrophe!
26 posted on
09/04/2015 8:16:13 AM PDT by
miss marmelstein
(Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
To: SeekAndFind
Ben Carson is the ‘stealth candidate’. He makes no waves, just drifts along being Mr. Nice. Count him off my list until he develops a backbone.
To: SeekAndFind
There is no law here for her to “uphold”. Kennedy cannot write one for Kentucky or anyone. Until their legislature passes a new one, she is doing her job, which is to rely on her convictions until further clarity. If she doesn’t like the future law, THEN she should quit.
This is further proof that the only hope, if at all, for the Office of Presidency, is Cruz or Paul.
To: SeekAndFind
Trump is a believer in both sides.
LOL
“The Supreme Court has spoken” now bow down to the dark side.
Someone lend this guy a pocket constitution
38 posted on
09/04/2015 8:25:01 AM PDT by
GeronL
(Cruz is for real, 100%)
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The same people pushing amnesty are telling this woman to uphold the law. Predictable and STILL idiotic.
56 posted on
09/04/2015 8:34:02 AM PDT by
xander
To: SeekAndFind
Isn’t she part of a union? If so then why aren’t they fighting for her?
Isn’t it almost impossible to fire someone in government?
Why pick on her? She seems like a good employee, following her conscious and trying to do what the people of her community want.
Not like she’s in govt watching porn all day or ripping off the IRS.
69 posted on
09/04/2015 8:52:37 AM PDT by
Vic S
To: SeekAndFind
Just stop issuing/requiring a license for marriage. That will solve one problem.
But the greater problem is the attack on morality.
Between killing babies, teaching faggery in our schools, calling for the removal of historical monuments....we've lost our rudder.
The Court got it wrong in a lot of cases....activists all about...and the courts have made a mockery of morality.
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