If Trump was running as a Democrat, would you still support him? (Vanity)

08/28/2015 | R2

[Responsibility2nd]

I imagine Trump is kicking himself now for sliding into the crowded Republican race instead of the Democratic race. But who knew a few months ago that Hillary would implode leaving the Democratic race with NOBODY as a possible?

Sure Trump is enjoying a double digit percentage lead in the Repub polls, but imagine his ratings (75%? 85%?) if he ran basically unopposed as a Democrat?

[Carry_Okie]

Bush, McCain, Romney... Does this translate to something that looks like a Conservative would likely win the nomination now?

Eisenhower, Nixon, Goldwater, Nixon, Ford... Does this translate to something that looks like a Conservative would likely win the nomination in 1980?

Sheesh.

Perhaps you could win me over on Cheney, but I don't think he hurt Bush.

That wasn't the point. It was that Bush's selection of Cheney did not leave us with a conservative to carry forward, quite the contrary.

Early on I tried to get folks to listen to the idea we should support only a very few candidates this year.

Earth to Doughty: It's still "early on."

You mentioned his thoughts on the Canadian Healthcare System. You talked about it being a few years back.

You are discounting the quote I offered of Trump praising Xero's team back in 2008, czars and all.

Trump is now polling above Hillary Clinton.

That is NOT a majority. With his negatives, IMO, nor will it be.

[Responsibility2nd]

You are still lying.

You said “NEVER articulated...”

In fact you said it twice in post 239.

“NEVER articulated ...... NEVER articulated .....”

Son, I get that you are a Trumpette. I get that you don’t like Cruz. But you best stop lying about Sen. Cruz. Your own words will come back to hurt you.

[publius911]

If 5 years ago someone told you that Trump would be running as a conservative republican AND would have a runaway lead in the polls - would you have believed that?

A lot of small problems have become monumental in the last 5 years.
In 2007 I had this immediate reaction to "Hope and Change...

Getting terminal cancer is change.
I was spot on.

[RitaOK]

Actually I was thinking about Michele Bachman and her like minded types and others. She was a very competent congressman with years of battle scars. These do not win the nomination.

Cruz is a genius, but he is stuck I presume by wanting to be able to function in the future as a senator, and can not be the force as Donald Trump can be with that kind of freedom to cast stones and actually land them.

[itsahoot]

You may be gullible enough to buy into Trump's ruse but you're not gullible enough to believe that.

Sure I am. It was a joke(from wonderful life) but more true than you would ever acknowledge. Trying to gather support for you candidate by trashing Trump is a losing proposition and you can't seem to grasp that.

A Campaign Full of Surprises Rush commented on this today on air.

[South40]

Pointing out that Trump is a liberal isn’t trashing him. It’s just a fact. But I can see how a defender of said liberal wouldn’t think so.

[Fantasywriter]

You have misapplied what I said and quoted me entirely out of context. This surprises me because I was under the impression you are a Christian. Christians don’t smear other Christians with partial, inaccurately applied quotes. It is a slimy thing to do.

[Responsibility2nd]

Yeah, Bachmann was never destined to be more than an “also ran”. Too bad. She had good qualities.

You’re right. Cruz is literally a genius. I’m hoping he can do some great things and in fact I hope he can shut down the government over Planned Parenthood.

If in fact he gets traction with his PP fight, and he later gets the Trump voters in the primaries then WOO-HOO!

We will be welcoming President Cruz in 2017!

[DoughtyOne]

Bush, McCain, Romney... Does this translate to something that looks like a Conservative would likely win the nomination now?

Eisenhower, Nixon, Goldwater, Nixon, Ford... Does this translate to something that looks like a Conservative would likely win the nomination in 1980?  Sheesh.

Okay, then you believe that Cruz has the charisma, delivery, and ability to draw Reagan Democrats across party lines.

Can he even draw big Republican numbers?  Not to this point he hasn't.

Perhaps you could win me over on Cheney, but I don't think he hurt Bush.

That wasn't the point. It was that Bush's selection of Cheney did not leave us with a conservative to carry forward, quite the contrary.

Okay, but that isn't what you touched on, so I didn't know what you were addressing.  I do note this observation with some humor, because Bush himself wasn't a Conservative.  Why should we have expected him to hand off better?

Early on I tried to get folks to listen to the idea we should support only a very few candidates this year.

Earth to Doughty: It's still "early on."

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but people have already bought into the various candidates.  Do you think the Fiorina Folks are going to let go?  How about Huckabee followers?  Name a one of the current candidates you think folks will forsake.

You mentioned his thoughts on the Canadian Healthcare System. You talked about it being a few years back.

You are discounting the quote I offered of Trump praising Xero's team back in 2008, czars and all.

I may have.  I try not to miss things like that.  What is he proposing today?  Is that unreasoned to ask, or point to?  Does it matter that he is pushing a private sector solution?  Does it matter that he wants to drop state lines and allow insurance companies to compete nationwide?  Does it matter that he has said he wants to see competition lower policy costs and broaden the numbers of different polices available?  Evidently not, because I don't see any praise for the direction he sees the nation heading after Obamacare is dumped.  I only see folks continuing to hawk his thoughts from 2000 to 2008.

If he said right now that he wanted to see people covered like Canada or Scotland, would that mean that he doesn't really mean he wants a private sector solution?   Would it mean he wants single-payer?

If so, why does he want state lines dropped and insurance companies to compete nation-wide?  Why would he reference competing costs or a proliferation of different policies?  Is that compatible with single-payer?  

Trump is now polling above Hillary Clinton.

That is NOT a majority. With his negatives, IMO, nor will it be.

If you think Hillary pulling in 300 people at events while trump is pulling in multiple thousands reveals he can't beat her, I think you're wrong.  She's in a field of two, and he's in a field of 17.

[okie01]

Cruz is a genius, but he is stuck I presume by wanting to be able to function in the future as a senator...,/i> ,p. Yeah, I guess that's why he called Mitch McConnell a liar...

[RitaOK]

Cruz is a patriot. I believe Trump and Cruz have something going, depending solely on future developments, but they do seem sympatico on the broader themes. Trump is nothing if not the purveyor of broader themes.

Should Trump back out, or get thrown out, or killed, Cruz will inherit the obvious. Otherwise, ....... ??

[RitaOK]

Cool. But, now what?

[dp0622]

For some Obscene reason, he beats the frontrunner repubs in a head to head!!!

people think he's a statesman or something?!!?

But he is a ruthless debater and will slash/burn if he runs and gets the nomination. We will then need a Trump to slash burn back.

Even SANDERS beats Trump/Cruz by a few points. A socialist!!! God help us.

I know it's early, but that should never happen here, not even in a poll.

[okie01]

What would you propose?

Should he now call him a poopie head...???

[woofie]

Unlike the Democrats, Mr. Trump does not support the UN, slavery, rape, crucifixion, Iran, N. Korea, genocide, Quartering of infectious diseases, and open borders.

But on everything else its perfect fit

[RitaOK]

Hey, I’m just listening. You started this conversation.

[Carry_Okie]

Okay, then you believe that Cruz has the charisma, delivery, and ability to draw Reagan Democrats across party lines.

Those who have watched him debate at Princeton say he does.

Can he even draw big Republican numbers? Not to this point he hasn't.

Lack of oxygen.

Okay, but that isn't what you touched on, so I didn't know what you were addressing.

Yes it was, but you missed it.

GWB made a horrible mistake in selecting Cheney as VP, not in terms of ideology, but in terms of physical vigor. IOW even if Bush hadn't made a mess of things (because he wouldn't fight the Slave Party that took him down), Cheney was in no physical condition to run. I was dismayed with his selection in 2004.

I do note this observation with some humor, because Bush himself wasn't a Conservative. Why should we have expected him to hand off better?

He didn't even pick a capable RINO.

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but people have already bought into the various candidates. Do you think the Fiorina Folks are going to let go? How about Huckabee followers? Name a one of the current candidates you think folks will forsake.

Graham, Perry, Jindal, Mitchell, Dummett, Ehrlich, Sherman, Hill, Russell, Pataki, Newland, Christensen, Christie, Martin, Bailey, Cavanaugh, Andrews, Petyo, Oliverez, Cullison, Hayden, Bowers, Sent, Fellure, Bickelmeyer, Sterling, Gilmore, and Everson. (list source

See? I do have a sense of humor!

Does it matter that he is pushing a private sector solution? Does it matter that he wants to drop state lines and allow insurance companies to compete nationwide? Does it matter that he has said he wants to see competition lower policy costs and broaden the numbers of different polices available? Evidently not, because I don't see any praise for the direction he sees the nation heading after Obamacare is dumped.

It doesn't matter if he doesn't mean a word of it, and I don't think he does. Anybody so delusional, poorly informed, or vacillating is unworthy of such the attribution of sincerity, much less integrity. If he has held such past positions, he never addresses why he changed his mind. That's a red flag in my book.

If he said right now that he wanted to see people covered like Canada or Scotland, would that mean that he doesn't really mean he wants a private sector solution? Would it mean he wants single-payer?

To me, it would mean that is what he though his audience wanted to hear. Sorry, I do think the man is that much of an opportunist.

[Fantasywriter]

The wide open borders and steady flood of criminals into the US appear to be the biggest issues in this election. If Cruz has made any really passionate statements on these topics, they’re not getting a lot of attention. That is a real liability in the current climate.

[okie01]

Hey, I’m just listening. You started this conversation.

But you asked the question.

Cool. But, now what?,/i>

I just responded.

[DoughtyOne]

Okay, then you believe that Cruz has the charisma, delivery, and ability to draw Reagan Democrats across party lines.
Those who have watched him debate at Princeton say he does.

Those who go to a debate are into the game.  They understand the rules and know how to score.  Thinking the general public will buy into that, is like thinking an avid baseball fan is going to be really in tune with what's going on at his second Hockey game.

I see holes in that theory.

Can he even draw big Republican numbers? Not to this point he hasn't.
Lack of oxygen.

Okay, but just a moment ago you were explaining to me what debate observers indicated to you.  What did Cruz's numbers do after the last debate?  I thought they went down or remained flat.  

Okay, but that isn't what you touched on, so I didn't know what you were addressing.
Yes it was, but you missed it.

This is what you stated in the post I replied to.  GWB made a horrible mistake in selecting Cheney as VP, not in terms of ideology, but in terms of physical vigor.  My thought was that you didn't think Cheney was able to come up with the energy to make appearances and support Bush during the campaigns or terms in office.  I don't believe I'm wrong in stating this didn't clearly explain to me what was on your mind.   

GWB made a horrible mistake in selecting Cheney as VP, not in terms of ideology, but in terms of physical vigor.  IOW even if Bush hadn't made a mess of things (because he wouldn't fight the Slave Party that took him down), Cheney was in no physical condition to run. I was dismayed with his selection in 2004.

I don't disagree with this.  Once again, I think Bush was such a light-weight he didn't want to face four years without Cheney's insight.  He was already on the team.  Bush didn't have to break in a new guy, reveal his shortcomings to a new person.  My thought is that whoever we put up against Obama, he would have had to carry the weight of the loan industry meltdown.  With that meltdown going into the election, good luck to anyone with and (R) after their name trying to buck the tidal wave of blame, whether I think it was totally justified or not.  

I do note this observation with some humor, because Bush himself wasn't a Conservative. Why should we have expected him to hand off better?
He didn't even pick a capable RINO.

With regard to carrying on into a next administration, I agree.  Cheney was a capable man, but he wasn't a Conservative.  His health was an issue.  Bush basically got himself through and tough cookies for the nation.

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but people have already bought into the various candidates. Do you think the Fiorina Folks are going to let go? How about Huckabee followers? Name a one of the current candidates you think folks will forsake.
Graham, Perry, Jindal, Mitchell, Dummett, Ehrlich, Sherman, Hill, Russell, Pataki, Newland, Christensen, Christie, Martin, Bailey, Cavanaugh, Andrews, Petyo, Oliverez, Cullison, Hayden, Bowers, Sent, Fellure, Bickelmeyer, Sterling, Gilmore, and Everson. (list source)
See? I do have a sense of humor!

Are you sure?  = :^)

Does it matter that he is pushing a private sector solution? Does it matter that he wants to drop state lines and allow insurance companies to compete nationwide? Does it matter that he has said he wants to see competition lower policy costs and broaden the numbers of different polices available? Evidently not, because I don't see any praise for the direction he sees the nation heading after Obamacare is dumped.
It doesn't matter if he doesn't mean a word of it, and I don't think he does. Anybody so delusional, poorly informed, or vacillating is unworthy of such the attribution of sincerity, much less integrity. If he has held such past positions, he never addresses why he changed his mind. That's a red flag in my book.

Instead of me putting words in your mouth, why don't you explain what you envision his health care replacement to be.

If he said right now that he wanted to see people covered like Canada or Scotland, would that mean that he doesn't really mean he wants a private sector solution? Would it mean he wants single-payer?
To me, it would mean that is what he though his audience wanted to hear. Sorry, I do think the man is that much of an opportunist.

Okay, that's your opinion and you're obviously free to run with it.  I do want to express the thought that folks are willing to make assessments of me based on my thinking here.  I don't think I'm being out of line by stating that when you deny everything a man is saying can possibly be truth, you're setting a rather interesting standard.  You can't really know that, anymore than I can say everything he says will come to pass exactly as he says.  Both of these would be unrealistic.

For the record, that same dynamic applies to all the other candidates too.