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Surging Ben Carson looks to peel off Donald Trump's voters
The Hill ^ | 8/20/15 | Jonahtan Easley

Posted on 08/20/2015 6:15:52 PM PDT by markomalley

Ben Carson has his sights set on Donald Trump.

The retired neurosurgeon is surging in the polls, but faces a huge hurdle in overcoming Trump, the runaway leader of a pack of 2016 presidenital candidates looking to tap into the anti-establishment fervor that is energizing the Republican base.

Trump still holds a big lead in the polls, but several recent surveys show Carson taking second place nationally and in Iowa.

In an interview, The Hill asked Carson if he believes he can convince those currently backing the celebrity businessman to give him a look.

Carson responded by taking his first implied shot at the front-runner, saying that voters would consider a host of matters — including temperament — in making their decision.

“I believe the American people are smart enough to figure out what’s real, what’s not real, and what kind of temperament and intellectual endeavors are necessary to be president,” Carson said.

When pressed on whether he believes Trump has the temperament and intellectual curiosity to be president, Carson replied: “If he does have it, voters will be able to decide that and they’ll vote for him. If not, they’ll figure that out too.”

Carson has largely flown under the radar of the Washington political class, and few pundits believe he’ll make a serious run at the nomination.

His Aug. 6 Fox News debate performance was dismissed as unmemorable by political watchers on a night punctuated by Trump’s defiant posturing and party infighting between Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.) and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie over the federal government’s spy programs.

Yet interest in Carson is soaring.

According to a Fox News survey released over the weekend — the first major national poll conducted since the debate — Trump still holds a lead of more than 2 to 1 over the field with 25 percent support, but Carson was the biggest gainer, picking up 5 points to move into second place at 12 percent support.

If Trump were removed from the equation, Carson would have been tied for first place in the poll with Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), at 14 percent each. Carson leads in the poll as the candidate Republicans rate as the most likable.

Furthermore, A CNN-ORC poll of Iowa showed Carson all alone in second place and trailing only Trump. In several recent Iowa polls, Carson has caught or surpassed Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who spent months atop the field in the state.

Carson’s rise has stoked increased attention from the media. He was booked on two Sunday news shows over the weekend: ABC’s "This Week" with George Stephanopoulos and "Fox News Sunday" with Chris Wallace.

The early success has those close to Carson believing he’ll be in good shape to capitalize on the political momentum if Trump-mania ever subsides.

“The emergence of Donald Trump is very helpful for us,” said Terry Giles, who briefly managed Carson’s campaign but has left to help him raise money. “When I was actively involved in the campaign and traveling the country, I couldn’t believe the groundswell against the establishment. Trump has brought out that anti-establishment fervor.”

“Now, Trump may very well end up doing very well in the race,” Giles continued. “But if any Trump followers are going to leave him for another candidate, I think chances are good that person could be Dr. Carson.”

While both Carson and Trump are running as pure Washington outsiders pledging to upend the status quo, their styles could not be more different.

Trump is riding a media frenzy sparked by his bombast, wealth, celebrity, refusal to apologize and populist straight-talk. Carson, meanwhile, is calm and quiet, methodically making the argument that the nation needs a more thoughtful, rather than politically experienced, leader.

“Voters are tired of the same old,” Carson said. “They know that any politician can get in front of them and talk a beautiful game, but they want people who have actually accomplished something. They see it as the only way out of this morass.”

The Carson campaign says it raised more than $1 million in less than a week following the debate and added tens of thousands of names to its email list.

Giles, who is raising money for a group that will likely one day become a pro-Carson super-PAC, said it’s a struggle to convince big donors to get on board with an unknown commodity like Carson, but that a few more rounds of strong polling could be a tipping point in his efforts.

Still, Carson faces considerable challenges.

Trump’s support has proven to be surprisingly durable, and there’s no evidence yet that he’s begun to fade.

And Carson will face competition from two other anti-establishment candidates who are similarly gaining traction.

Businesswoman Carly Fiorina was the consensus winner of the undercard debate earlier this month. She has since seen her standing improve in the polls nationally, as well as in Iowa and New Hampshire, and could be elevated from the early debate to the prime-time stage for the second GOP debate next month.

Cruz has raised more hard campaign dollars than any other candidate. He’s attracting big crowds on the campaign trail and barnstorming the South, setting up what he’s calling a “firewall” in the states that will vote in the early March 1 primaries.

Meanwhile, Carson’s momentum has shifted the bright political spotlight onto the newcomer — and he’s at times struggled to handle it.

For instance, Carson was critical of Planned Parenthood after videos surfaced of officials negotiating the cost of donated fetal tissue for medical research. Carson blasted the agency and has called for it to be defunded, but one of his former colleagues revealed last week that as a neurosurgeon, Carson used fetal tissue in his own research.

And Carson has stumbled on the question of abortion. Last week, he said he believes life starts when the heart starts beating, and he advocated the use of RU-486 — which anti-abortion-rights groups have dubbed a “chemical abortion pill” — in cases of rape and incest.

This week, Carson said he believes life starts at conception and that he’s opposed to abortion even in cases of rape and incest.

Carson made a handful of other controversial remarks this week as well, grabbing headlines for saying Planned Parenthood was formed to control the black population and calling the Obama administration’s Iran deal “anti-Semitic.”

Earlier in the cycle, he said he was making a deliberate attempt to put forth a disciplined message, believing that some of his controversial remarks were drowning out his message.

That’s becoming more difficult to control as Carson’s demand among media outlets increases.

Carson blamed the media for obsessing over his views on abortion and race and said he believes he’s a target for his conservative views.

“I’m not terribly surprised,” Carson said. “For months now I’ve been going around the country and pulling large, enthusiastic crowds where people get to hear who I am, not who the media is trying to portray me as.”

“They’ve been coming after me since the beginning,” he said. “They say I’m irrelevant but spend more ink on me than anybody. It’s OK, I’d be disappointed if they didn’t, because it would mean I’m not relevant.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2016election; bencarson; election2016; newyork; tedcruz; texas; trump
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To: DoughtyOne

i’m liking the d but i still have a major problem with the kelo and grandma he wanted to displace in AC.


41 posted on 08/20/2015 7:48:56 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (civil law: commanding what is right and prohibiting what is wrong Blackstone Commentaries I p44)
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To: AustinBill

A man of action who obviously loves America and who can’t be bought is exactly what the country needs.

and he sticks the pc crap right in the face of the media


42 posted on 08/20/2015 7:50:42 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (civil law: commanding what is right and prohibiting what is wrong Blackstone Commentaries I p44)
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To: SharpRightTurn
Who would you rather have sitting across from Putin?

Trump might not be the best guy for the job, but he wouldn't get walked over by Putin.

Of course there might not be a room big enough for their two egos or attitudes.

(Of course, for the life of me, I can't figure why Trump is running. Power? Prestige? Future money? Spoiler?)

43 posted on 08/20/2015 9:22:40 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: mountn man

My guess, it’s patriotism pure and simple. Like most of us with memories going back to the 1950s he remembers a better America and he wants it back.


44 posted on 08/20/2015 9:27:08 PM PDT by Pelham (Without deportation you have defacto amnesty)
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To: markomalley
Uncle Ben Carson is going to "surge" as much as last night's rain puddle on my front sidewalk.

Leni

45 posted on 08/20/2015 9:28:23 PM PDT by MinuteGal (It's NOT "Immigration", stupid!....IT'S INVASION!)
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To: DoughtyOne
. Reagan was the guy. Now Trump is.

Equating Trump with Reagan on a site where anyone can read it should be a criminal offense.

If Trump is the GOP nominee I'm through with the party from the courthouse to the White House. I would just as soon vote for an escapee from a state penitentiary as I would for Trump. If he's the GOP nominee all 6 voters in my family will change our voter registration from Republican to Independent.

Not that our 6 votes will make any difference in this or any future election, but at least we will have expressed our utter disgust for both major parties even if our ballots end up in a circular file.

46 posted on 08/20/2015 9:37:00 PM PDT by epow (Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: markomalley

These pundits must have flunked junior high school math. Whereas Trump is holding steady at 25%, who is dropping in poll numbers?

Bush, Walker, Rubio, Paul, etc have dropped the most since Trump entered the fray. Carson and Cruz have gained.

Only a knucklehead will conclude Carson’s votes have come or will come from Trump.


47 posted on 08/20/2015 9:50:09 PM PDT by entropy12 (Trump is incorruptible. He is the only one who can run a campaign without rich donors.)
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To: RoosterRedux; sickoflibs

Yes, Trump is God and everyone else should live only to serve him.


48 posted on 08/20/2015 10:38:37 PM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: Impy
RE:”Yes, Trump is God and everyone else should live only to serve him.”

Exactly, how can resist the Great One ???

OK, Levin is the Great One

So Trump must be the Greater One

All hail the new Roman Empire under Trump.

49 posted on 08/20/2015 11:16:46 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The tme for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: sickoflibs
AHHH

Late posting

Try “Exactly, how can we can resist the Great One ???”

50 posted on 08/20/2015 11:27:38 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The tme for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: JustaCowgirl

Agree completely.


51 posted on 08/21/2015 12:45:32 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: MayflowerMadam

He seems like a nice man, but few surgeons are humble and a humble retired doctor does not run for president. His comment was somewhere between silly and offensive.


52 posted on 08/21/2015 12:47:27 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: markomalley

Someone who has accomplished something,Hillary has accomplished a lot,she has suckered the American People for years


53 posted on 08/21/2015 5:14:31 AM PDT by ballplayer (hvexx NKK c bmytit II iyijjhihhiyyiyiyi it iyiiy II i hi jiihi ty yhiiyihiijhijjyjiyjiiijyuiiijihyii)
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To: markomalley

nope....Carson and huckster are holding on to conservative voters. nNeither have a chance and they know it.


54 posted on 08/21/2015 5:48:36 AM PDT by rrrod (Just an old guy with a gun in his pocket.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Trump now has cross party momentum. this is phenomenal in open primaries.


55 posted on 08/21/2015 11:02:00 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: markomalley

I consider Carson to be a brilliant surgeon. Presidential worthy? Not so much.

He’d make a better Surgeon General.


56 posted on 08/21/2015 11:03:44 AM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: epow
...Reagan was the guy. ...ow Trump is.

Equating Trump with Reagan on a site where anyone can read it should be a criminal offense.

If Trump is the GOP nominee I'm through with the party from the courthouse to the White House. I would just as soon vote for an escapee from a state penitentiary as I would for Trump. If he's the GOP nominee all 6 voters in my family will change our voter registration from Republican to Independent.

Not that our 6 votes will make any difference in this or any future election, but at least we will have expressed our utter disgust for both major parties even if our ballots end up in a circular file.


I love Ronald Reagan as I would an older family member.  It's hard not to think of him as a family memeber in some ways, because he exemplified the older wiser reserved individual.  He was also the guy that would grab you by the scruff of your neck and jerk some sense into you when called for.  He wasn't a pushover, and he defended himself admirably.

People are different.  They lead different lifestyles and develop different character traits.  They are exposed to different settings.  Trump in many ways is not Ronald Reagan.  In other ways he is exactly Ronald Reagan.  It is those ways where they are alike that you are going to have to learn to cherish.  To deny those ways, is to deny that part of Ronald Reagan too.

Reagan had a vision to help this nation, return it to it's former glory.  So does Trump.  Compare those vision's to Obama's vision.  Both are cleary diametrically opposed to Obama's vision.  You need to admit it.

Reagan became larger than life.  He was able to beat back the leadership of his own party, own the press, and even win the admiration of those who were supposed to despise him.  Reagan won over Tip O'Neil as a friend.  Trump has connections on both sides fo the isle.  He is also able to buck the leadership of his own party, and own the press.  You know this is true.  You know he is espousing our principles out there, even if you don't trust him.  He is.  You know it.

The most dire problem we have facing our nation right now, is illegal immigraton.  How does Trump's plan stack up against the one Reagan signed into law?

Both men came to or are coming to the Oval Office with our military in deceline.  How does Trump's outline of what he wants to do compare to Reagan's?

Reagan was all about putting U. S. Citizens back to work.  How do Trump's stated policies compare to Reagan's.

How does Trump's recognition that taxes are a big problem compare to Reagan's views on the subject?

On the issues of abortion, education, the EPA, global warming, the oil pipeline, and energy in general, and the forces of evil against the West, it's tough to imagine Ronald Reagan opposing Donald Trump's views, any of them.

Trump so valued Reagan's contribution to the nation that he supported George Bush for election after him, to continue to Reagan legacy.  He talked up Dan Quayle, praised his speech and guaged him a smart capable man.

Trump attended the 1988 Republican National Convention.

If you don't like Trump, don't vote for him.  Go ahead and re-register to an Independent.  I'm not sure you shouldn't do that anyway.  Every one of us probably should now.  Those of us who do value participating in the nomination process in the primaries can't.

All I'll say is that if you do withhold your support from Trump, it will be a shame if he does follow through with his stated Reaganeske views.  If he doesn't, you'll have been the sage.

I believe he loves this nation.  For now, I trust him.  That may change in time.
57 posted on 08/21/2015 12:46:57 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Good point!


58 posted on 08/21/2015 1:47:48 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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