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Davis: F-35B External Weapons Give Marines 4th, 5th Generation Capabilities in One Plane
USNI News ^ | August 13, 2015 | Megan Eckstein

Posted on 08/13/2015 11:23:54 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Lockheed Martin test pilot Billie Flynn puts F-35B test aircraft BF-02 into pre-contact position behind a US Air Force KC-135 tanker on the range near NAS Patuxent River, Md., on 5 September 2014. Photo courtesy F-35 Lightning II Program Office.

The Marine Corps’ Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) will have the stealth of a fifth-generation fighter and a weapons payload surpassing a fourth-generation fighter by the time a software upgrade is ready for fielding in 2017, the Marines’ top aviator said this week.

The aircraft’s ability to alternate between accessing contested areas and deliverying heavy fire power based on the needs of any given sortie “I think for our adversaries will be quite worrisome, for us should be a source of great comfort,” Deputy Commandant of the Marine Corps for Aviation Lt. Gen. Jon Davis said Wednesday at an event cohosted by the Center for Strategic and International Studies and the U.S. Naval Institute.

“No other airplane can go from fifth to fourth and back to fifth again. I’m buying pylons for the airplane. I get the pylons in 3F software, which comes in 2017. [With the pylons] I can load up an F-35B with about 3,000 pounds more ordnance than I can put on an F-18 right now,” Davis said. “So I can have an airplane that does fifth-generation stuff for the opening salvo of the fight. When I have to go to level of effort, I can load the pylons on, load ordnance on there, do level of effort, come back, sail to another part of the world, take the pylons off and go do the fifth-generation thing again. … It offers us tremendous capability for the Marine Corps that’s going to have one type/model/series aircraft that can go fourth and fifth gen, give us that fighter capability, give us that attack capability that we need in the out years.”

F-35 Lightning II Program Office spokesman Joe DellaVedova told USNI News that the F-35 was designed to be relevant both on Day 1 of a fight and Day 365 of a fight. To that end, the services needed to leverage the stealth capability that the Air Force already had in its Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor fighter and Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit bomber, as well as the fire power Marines needed to support their Marine Air-Ground Task Force (MAGTF).

The low-observable design of the F-35B, when left unaltered, would allow the Marines to sneak into anti-access/area-denial airspace, take out the integrated air defense system and other high-value targets with its 4,000 pounds of ordnance in the internal weapons bay, and leave. Once the pylons are ready in 2017 to be affixed to the exterior of the plane, “after you dismantle the enemy’s air defense system…then that F-35 can be loaded up like a traditional legacy fighter and become an 18,000 bomb truck, when you don’t have to rely on the low-observability any more,” DellaVedova said. The pylons optimize the F-35B for close-air support, anti-air missions and more.

DellaVedova said testing for the pylons and development of the rest of the 3F software upgrade package is ongoing. The Marines’ current 2B software allows them to carry two air-to-ground weapons and one air-to-air weapon internally: the 1,000-pound GBU-32 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM), the 500-pound GBU-12 Paveway II laser-guided bomb and the AIM-120C Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM).

An F-35B test aircraft flies in short takeoff/vertical landing mode with external pylons and stores loaded March 20, 2013. Photo courtesy F-35 Lightning II Program Office.

The 3F software upgrade will bring the external weapons pylons, 4.1 or 4.2 will bring the all-weather Small Diameter Bomb, and in the future the Marine Corps will look to adapt foreign weapons used by partners in the international JSF project, Davis told USNI News last month.

Davis made clear at Wednesday’s event that the F-35B with its current 2B software configuration can handle challenging threat environments today.

“Bottom line, [Marine Fighter Attack Squadron] VMFA 121 just did an Operational Readiness Inspection to get them ready to convince us that they were actually indeed ready to go be declared initial operational capable, and they did a fantastic job in the interdiction mission we had them do, and the defensive counter air, the offensive counter air, the close air support and the armed reconnaissance,” Davis said “The armed reconnaissance one was the most interesting one. We gave them a really high-end threat environment to go against, and normally to go do close air support and armed reconnaissance you want to be able to get into a kind of low-threat environment to go out there and look for targets. … We gave them difficult targets to find, and we also gave them a difficult threat that in my world, as [former executive officer and commanding officer of Marine Aviation Weapons & Tactics Squadron One (MAWTS-1)], would be a prohibitive threat. They went out there, they found those targets, they dealt with that, and they came back.”

Now that VMFA 121 passed the ORI and Commandant Gen. Joseph Dunford declared initial operational capability for the platform, the Marines will begin the slow process of standing down squadrons of F/A-18 Hornets, EA-6B Prowlers and AV-8B Harriers, and standing up squadrons of JSFs. All active-duty squadrons will be stood up by 2031, with the Marines buying 353 F-35Bs and 67 F-35Cs.

The Marines “intend to extract maximum value and service life out of our Harriers, Hornets and Prowlers,” Davis said in a statement, but the four remaining Prowler squadrons will be short-lived, with the Marine Corps retiring one a year beginning next year. Though a final decision on Harriers and Hornets won’t be made until 2019, the service expects that the Harrier squadrons will transition by 2026 and the Hornets by 2030.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; billieflynn; f35b; lockheedmartin; stealth; usmc
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1 posted on 08/13/2015 11:23:54 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

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2 posted on 08/13/2015 11:41:01 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

How do you have 5th gen stealth with external stores???


3 posted on 08/13/2015 11:43:15 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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The point was that it can go from 5th without the pylons, take out the anti-air infrastructure, then load it up with a 4rth gen payload for bomb truck missions.


4 posted on 08/13/2015 11:48:13 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: sukhoi-30mki

external weapons= not stealth


5 posted on 08/14/2015 12:13:28 AM PDT by GeronL (Cruz is for real, 100%)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

So will it protect the grunts better than anything else?


6 posted on 08/14/2015 12:24:10 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It’ll still lose in a turn fight.


7 posted on 08/14/2015 12:39:34 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: huldah1776

No. It can’t fly slow enough to be a top-notch close air support platform.

It’s a one hundred percent purebred congressional brother in law contract stinker.


8 posted on 08/14/2015 12:53:10 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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9 posted on 08/14/2015 1:22:36 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It is cheaper to network radars and write programs that assemble and analyze the tiny blips and determine that, yes, its no bigger than a sparrow, but it’s moving at Mach 1. Then, they’ll launch a cloud of visual tracking drones to shoot it down.

To me the article says the Marines need a different plane.

The future of aircraft in battle is to be pilotless, cheap and disposable. Watch the Israelis in the Iran war and see how its done.


10 posted on 08/14/2015 2:40:04 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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Yea, I don’t see stealth being that big of an advantage for much longer. Radar and computers are more sophisticated than ever. And anything that moves through a fluid is gonna leave a wake.


11 posted on 08/14/2015 3:13:05 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Jack Hydrazine

SR71 wasn’t stealth, just awesome.

The F35 certainly isn’t the F22. It’s 5th-gen, but not in the same league. The F22 is incredible - not that the F35 isn’t.

From someone who worked on the AIM-120.


12 posted on 08/14/2015 3:32:19 AM PDT by some tech guy (Stop trying to help, Obama)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Recently saw one of these on approach to the USMC Air Station in Beaufort SC. LOUD!
I opened the sunroof as it passed over and killed our ears, looked in back and the kids were grinning a mile wide..


13 posted on 08/14/2015 4:36:38 AM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: Axenolith

Carrying internal has been a problem. F-35 is a huge disappointment at a massive cost.


14 posted on 08/14/2015 4:46:57 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising a new Civil War needs to happen.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
F-35 is the biggest FAILURE Congress has shoved onto the military.
Designed to "do everything for everybody", is does NOTHING WELL.
SCRAP IT !
15 posted on 08/14/2015 4:57:14 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: AFreeBird

“...anything that moves through a fluid is gonna leave a wake.”

my knowledge of aircraft doesn’t go beyond the curiosity to look up when one flies over. That said, your comment about “wake” speaks volumes. Simply consider a thermostat kicking in when someone “pushes” air walking through a house on a cold morning. Heck, even the bulk of our 15 lb. dog trips a motion detector connected night light.
Perhaps worth more than a tolerant smile are acoustic sensors. In some pre-radar day and perhaps as late as Vietnam, human ears or directional acoustic horns were used for aircraft detection. Technology will now allow sounds to be sorted by various criteria such as level & frequency range.
Unlike submarines, aircraft haven’t a hope of “silent running”.


16 posted on 08/14/2015 5:14:42 AM PDT by Huaynero
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To: MrEdd

“No. It can’t fly slow enough to be a top-notch close air support platform.”

Er...the F-35B can fly slow and even hover...

The other thing is that with precision munitions the troops can call in strikes accurately from high altitude aircraft.


17 posted on 08/14/2015 5:37:42 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: AFreeBird

“Yea, I don’t see stealth being that big of an advantage for much longer.”

How does stealth help you when you are just whacking ISIS bastards with no aircover? For that you want cheap, slow flying, bullet proof bomb and bullet trucks.

We’ve put all our eggs in one very expensive basket.


18 posted on 08/14/2015 5:57:21 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Very interesting how it's coming together and how it will morph into the best beast for the job at hand.

And they're barely just getting started playing with their new toy.

Wait until they've messed around with it for a while out playing in the mud and dirt and figure out what all it can do!

True, it's not a pretty F-16, but so what? We've already got a bunch of them.

From here, it looks like an interesting mix of motorhead and geek hot rodding standards.

It takes the biggest motor and the biggest computer and shoves them both into one fairly stealthy/sexy package that blows stuff up.

What's not to like?

19 posted on 08/14/2015 6:13:28 AM PDT by GBA (Just a hick in paradise)
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To: DaxtonBrown

Yea, stealth doesn’t help with that. Just let the Hog Driver loose on ISIS. They’ll rain the pain down on them.


20 posted on 08/14/2015 6:27:15 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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