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Putting Women in Combat Is an Even Worse Idea Than You’d Think
National Review ^ | July 15, 2015 | MIKE FREDENBURG

Posted on 07/16/2015 5:57:08 AM PDT by xzins

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country. — General George S. Patton

What may be Old Blood and Guts’ most famous line is more than just colorful, it’s a great working definition of a warrior’s duty: killing the enemy and surviving to fight another day.

That truth is particularly relevant in light of the recent failure of all 45 hand-picked, highly fit women to complete Ranger training and Marine-officer combat training. The 45 women were part of an effort to meet a 2016 deadline mandating that all combat roles, including special forces, be opened up to women — an ideologically driven, reality-challenged initiative.

Putting women into close combat roles isn’t fair to the men who will be relying on them, and isn’t fair to the women who will find themselves continuously at a deadly disadvantage. When we send our soldiers into combat we should be giving them the best possible chance of succeeding and surviving. While women are equal to or better than men at many tasks, they simply aren’t when it comes to combat. Substituting men with far less combat-capable women is profoundly unfair, immoral, and utterly unnecessary.

A recent study, for instance, by Britain’s Tri-Service Review found that mixed-gender combat units have “lower survivability,” a “reduced lethality rate” and reduced deployability. This study, along with countless others done over the last 40 years, demonstrate that combat capabilities are so heavily weighted toward men that the gap cannot be closed. As Marine Corps captain Lauren Serrano put it in a September 2014 article in the Marine Gazette: “Acknowledging that women are different (not just physically) than men is a hard truth that plays an enormous role in this discussion.”

Consider the three major arguments for putting women into combat — none of them hold up.

Before looking at the facts surrounding the hard truth referred to by Captain Serrano, consider the three major arguments for putting women into combat.

The first and most commonly used argument goes something like this: “Not sure if it’s a good idea, but if women can meet the same standards as men, then I guess it would only be fair to allow them into combat.”

But the last 40 years of aggressive integration efforts by the U.S. military have shown that women cannot meet the same rigorous standards as men — and the answer has been to implement different standards for women, while lowering the standards for men, too. A 2011 study on physical requirements necessary for specific occupations in the military conducted by Dr. William Gregor for the U.S. Army’s School of Advanced Military Studies concludes:

The Services, especially the Army, have expanded the military occupational specialties (MOS) open to women purely as a part of the social concern for equality and have only paid lip service to combat readiness. . . . The Army’s own research indicates that the vast majority of women do not possess the lean mass necessary to meet the strength requirements for very heavy and heavy physical MOS’s.

The Army assigns women to these specialties anyway.

What loads do women have trouble bearing? “Women soldiers are challenged by some field combat duties — carrying five-gallon cans of fuel and water, changing armor vehicle track and heavy truck tires, carrying 100-plus-pound loads of ammunition and fighting gear on extended dismounted operations, carrying stretchers of wounded soldiers, and the brute labor required to dig in fighting positions,” retired general Barry McCaffrey explains. (Another detailed, generously footnoted 2007 study published in the Duke Law Journal, “Constructing the COED Military,” by Elaine Donnelly, gives an overview of our military’s misguided gender-integration efforts and details how double standards, quotas, and preferential treatment are damaging our military.)

For proof that integrating women into combat will mean lower standards for men and women, just ask the current chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, who said in 2013, “If we do decide that a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn’t make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain to the secretary: Why is it that high? Does it really have to be that high?” Given the current political environment and the lack of moral courage from our political and military leaders, there’s no doubt these standards will be reevaluated and less-rigorous ones adopted.

This problem is exacerbated by the fact that the military’s physical and psychological toughness standards for men have also declined. The military as whole — even in basic training — has become kinder and gentler, partly in order to accommodate women. In one of the more ridiculous examples of this, Army drill instructors were required to wear “empathy bellies” and fake breasts to better empathize with pregnant women. Today’s drill instructors are nicer than they used to be, but the speed at which we are discarding time-proven methods for training soldiers is breathtaking and reckless.

A willingness to die for one’s country is a noble and a necessary condition for effective combat soldiers, but it is far from sufficient.

Another common argument is that women are already dying in combat zones, so it’s only fair to formalize what they are doing. But this debate is not about the supreme sacrifice that 144 servicewomen have made in combat zones since 9/11, but how effective women can be in doing a different job — projecting combat power, killing the enemy, and surviving to fight another day. The women who have died in service to their country need to be honored, but they should not be honored by increasing the chances that other servicemen and women will die as well. As former Marine Jude Eden writes in the April 2015 edition of Military Review, “Being in the combat zone, dangerous as it is, is still worlds away from the door-kicking offensive missions of our combat units.” Being killed in a crash or by an IED is not the same as surviving physically demanding combat patrols carrying combat loads of 60 to 140 pounds, which challenge even men’s superior endurance and strength. A willingness to die for one’s country is a noble and a necessary condition for effective combat soldiers, but it is far from sufficient.

The third argument: In other cultures and times, women have performed as well in combat as men. In particular, modern-day Israel is often cited as an example of women successfully fulfilling combat roles. But Israel’s military position is almost nothing like that of the United States: It’s surrounded by hostile nations that collectively outnumber its population by over 20 to 1. Even so, for many of the reasons discussed, women no longer participate in front-line IDF combat units. While it is true that countries such as Israel and Russia in the past, and the Kurdish military today, have been forced by dire circumstances to rely on women to literally defend their own persons, their children, and their house against savage invaders, thankfully we are in no such position.

So why do men and women perform so differently in combat-related tasks? First, physiologically and psychologically, women and men are significantly different. Men are not simply bigger women with different plumbing. Men’s blood carries 10 to 12 percent more oxygen per liter than does a women’s; and men’s VO2 max, a measure of the top rate of oxygen consumption, is 40 to 60 percent greater than that of women. An average fit man will weigh about 23 percent more, have 50 percent more muscle mass, and carry 10 percent less body fat than an average fit woman. Pound for pound, men have thicker skulls, bigger, stronger necks, hearts that are 17 percent larger, and bones that are both bigger and denser. Despite being much heavier, men’s vertical leap is nearly 50 percent greater than that of women.

In terms of reflexes and reaction times, men significantly outperform women. When confronted with immediate danger, studies suggest men are “more likely than women to take action.” Women are far more likely to experience motion sickness and vertigo. In the Navy women go on sick call 60 to 70 percent more frequently. For the kind of violent events and situations found on the battlefield, women are far more likely to develop post-traumatic stress disorder and experience the symptoms for a longer duration than men. Despite the gender-specific ability to handle the pain of childbirth, “study after study” conclusively shows that men have a much higher overall tolerance for pain than women.

Individually, any one of above differences could make the difference between life and death. In the combat environment, the differences between men and women in speed, strength, endurance, agility, physical resiliency, and psychological resiliency represents an unbridgeable gap — and the impact on the battlefield is dramatic.

Mixed-gender units will be both slower in getting to the fight and slower when beating a tactical retreat.

Mixed-gender units will be both slower in getting to the fight and slower when beating a tactical retreat. They are more likely to be crippled by physical injuries or PTSD. Men will put themselves in harm’s way to assist women in getting over obstacles that men can easily negotiate unassisted. Blows to the head or other concussive events that a man can shrug off will stun or render a woman unconscious, reducing her unit’s chances of survival, especially in hand-to-hand combat. Units will have to deal with feminine-hygiene issues that significantly reduce unit effectiveness.

This is not merely theory: One Army study focusing on Operation Iraqi Freedom found women are almost twice as likely to suffer from non-combat related disease and injuries and are twice as likely to be medevac’d out of the theater of operations. Historical non-deployment rates for women are three to four times than that of men. Women suffer many times the rate of stress fractures and ACL injuries. All of this hurts combat readiness and increases costs. That we will still be able to defeat vastly inferior opponents is beside the point — more of our soldiers will die and our combat units will be less capable.

The military has been trying to devise programs that will close these gaps for decades, and hasn’t succeeded. A Royal Society of Medicine study on the British military found that that injuries skyrocketed for women “when they undertake the same arduous training as male recruits.” The end result was that women were eight times more likely to be discharged with back pain, tendon injuries, and stress fractures than their male counterparts. Indeed, many studies show that rigorous training only widens the gap between men and women.

This is all before we get to unit cohesion. If you have been around more than a couple of decades, you know that men and women working together in tight quarters will develop infatuations and relationships that will affect unit discipline and morale. Even mature, highly disciplined men and women are susceptible. The U.S. military is already awash in discipline and morale problems coming out of female–male interactions. Captain Serrano notes that “platoon commanders in co-ed units already deal with a tremendous amount of drama, pregnancies, and sex in the co-ed unit barracks.” The unavoidable disruption means units that are less lethal and less survivable.

The push to put women into combat is driven by an extreme, reality-challenged form of feminism. Unfortunately, its influence in the media, the entertainment industry, our universities, and politics has given it a tremendous base of political power that extends into the heart of the military. Jude Eden notes: “In my experience, feminism and political correctness are so prevalent in the military that men trip over themselves trying to ensure they do not offend. Military leaders cannot afford to even think the truth: Women are not as strong and athletic as strong, athletic men are.” Officers in the military understand that speaking honestly about the problems of women in combat can be a career-ender, while putting gender-diversity goals ahead of everything else can be a career-accelerator.

What we have is a modern-day case of the emperor’s new clothes. But over the decades, so many compromises to the truth have been made and careers advanced by hiding or glossing over gender-integration issues in the military that it will take more than one small voice standing athwart the road yelling “stop!” It will take concerted opposition from a range of politicians who have the courage to look beyond the latest headline in the New York Times or on CNN.

“That our Congress is accepting this change without any debate isn’t progress,” Washington Post columnist Kathleen Parker has written. “It is a dereliction of duty and, one is tempted to say, suggestive of cowardice.” The silence on this issue by the Republican-controlled Congress is deafening.

Mountains of evidence exists, providing an excellent basis for congressional hearings about this misguided crusade. Undoubtedly, these hearings will inflame the media and academia, but not holding these hearings, not speaking out on this issue, puts politics before the lives of our young women and men.


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To: xzins

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21 posted on 07/16/2015 6:22:55 AM PDT by doc1019 (Blue lives matter)
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To: xzins

I know that having had women along on our armored cavalry ops in Vietnam would have gotten all that many more of our people killed.

Glad I’m out of the ferry farm that the US military is fast becoming.


22 posted on 07/16/2015 6:22:57 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: xzins

People will die in order to “prove” the liberal mantra that men and women are the same, and that “gender” is a continuum and that a person can pass from one to the other at will.


23 posted on 07/16/2015 6:23:47 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Ping.


24 posted on 07/16/2015 6:23:51 AM PDT by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: affan76

Your brother’s letter is right on the money.

Why do we want to see our women killed?


25 posted on 07/16/2015 6:26:09 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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To: xzins

As a condition, women must sign up for the draft. Popcorn is ready.


26 posted on 07/16/2015 6:26:55 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: xzins; Diana in Wisconsin

My daughter was in the Marines. She felt pretty tough when she got out of boot camp.

A short time later, she met an Army guy just out of boot camp and challenged him to a fight. He picked her up with one hand and tossed her across the room. Not judo...but like he was tossing a 100 lb bale of hay at the farm.

Then he said, “You’re cute!”

She decide “cute” was better than “hospitalized” and they got along well after that.

She later married a Marine in the infantry.

She says it is absolutely insane to try to put women in the infantry - that she never met a woman, in or out of the Marines, who could handle what the infantry had to do.


27 posted on 07/16/2015 6:27:31 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Don’t forget the sammiches... :)


28 posted on 07/16/2015 6:28:12 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

My daughter could drop all these badasses from 300 yds no sweat (E-5 currently in WLC at Todd Cornell NCO Academy in Fort McCoy).


29 posted on 07/16/2015 6:29:11 AM PDT by BraveMan (Trigger)
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To: Mr Rogers; Diana in Wisconsin

This article mentions the difference should a combat mission come down to hand-to-hand combat.

I guarantee you that if you put an NBA team on the court with a WNBA team that it would be a massacre.

Why would we expect combat to be any different?


30 posted on 07/16/2015 6:31:17 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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To: xzins

In the Army a woman boasted to me of not having to do PT because she got a perfect 300 score on her PT test. I got 297. I yelled that I did twice what she did and she didn’t believe it. 70 vs 33 push-ups, 70 vs 35ish sit ups. 19 minute 2 mile run vs 14.


31 posted on 07/16/2015 6:32:36 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Of those born of women there is not risen one greater than John The Baptist.)
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To: xzins

I have to agree and disagree. I agree women aren’t the best suited to combat, but there are some situations where combat training (and some experience) for women could come in handy. For example, I was just reading about the Armenian genocide (and of course we know about other genocides). In those situation where the men are depleted through warfare or going underground to fight a guerilla war, the women are left to defend themselves and their children and old people. They could benefit from some tactical training in at least holding off the enemy until some help arrives.

Instead what we’ve seen throughout history is women being totally defenseless and eventually being rounded up and put on forced marches where the children and old and even many of the younger women die ... or they die in detention etc. We’ve seen this same scenario over and over even up to the present.

Even in WWII younger French women who were left behind when the French Army basically disintegrated or went underground ... they were rounded up to work as slaves in German munitions factories ... and eventually towards the end put in concentration camps with others. I’ve read stories of some of the younger women in those situations forming sort-of battle groups as best they could manage, escaping the camps and living rough in the nearby countryside, obtaining a few weapons with which to harry the retreating Germans and to defend themselves against advancing Russian troops who were often not kind to women POWs.

In light of many historical examples where the men are decimated through war (we see that now happening in Syria/Iraq) women could benefit from some military training to help defend those left behind.

We haven’t really seen to much of that in our country as we have had few wars on our soil which resulted in genocide or civilians ending up undefended from invading armies. There was some of that in the Revolutionary war and in those days many women knew how to operate a weapon and had some outdoor survival skills. Certainly frontier women had this knowledge and could defend themselves somewhat from Indian attacks while men were away hunting or at war.

So, just because women are in general not best suited for combat compared to men, compared to having nothing ... no training whatsoever and no way to defend yourself and your children, that is not good either.

This doesn’t necessarily mean women need to be in elite forces. But I do think all young people having some military training (like in Israel) makes your entire society more prepared for different contingencies ... such as the men being taken out and the women, children and older people being left at the mercy of invaders.

So yes, men can do a better job militarily ... if they are around. But if they are not around you need a second (and probably third) line of defense. Just because we haven’t faced the situation yet on our soil doesn’t mean it can’t happen. It would be good to have a greater percentage of our population have at least some military training.


32 posted on 07/16/2015 6:33:49 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Mr Rogers

I don’t know if that if the most twisted “love” story or the cutest?! “Mommy, how did you and Daddy meet?” “Well, sugar, Daddy tossed Mommy like a sack of potatoes and then we looked into each other’s eyes and fell madly in love”. LOL! :)


33 posted on 07/16/2015 6:36:01 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Diana, you sound awesome! I don’t think every woman is suitable for combat. I don’t think they should drop the bar so girls who want to play DOOM can get in. Keep the bar high; if women can get in, they are the elite who can serve this nation’s military. I will be content — proud — to serve here at my home, raising my kids with Christian values and a clear understanding of what it takes to keep a free nation free (and how it’s slipping away from us). And I’ll just play DOOM on my home computer.


34 posted on 07/16/2015 6:38:15 AM PDT by Mrs_Puddleglum (First God. Then family. Then country.)
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To: xzins

There’s a reason there aren’t a lot of girls playing high school football, or other men’s teams. Yes, I know that a few select women are stronger than the men, etc...and if they meet the standards...etc., but that is not what is going to happen. These MOS are going to be flooded with women who cannot keep up - it won’t just be a select few.


35 posted on 07/16/2015 6:40:15 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: xzins

Bingo! This is totally intentional - what started as misguided bogus “equality” issue with Bush1 through to Clinton and Bush2 is now an intentional decimation by our PINO Soetoro. Marine Serrano tried to speak out and she was royally squashed. She will probably be court martialed soon.


36 posted on 07/16/2015 6:40:32 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: xzins

Beverly LaHaye (CWA) & Phyllis Schlafly (Eagle’s Forum) had it right when they fought against the Equal Rights Amendment.


37 posted on 07/16/2015 6:41:13 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever
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To: Mr Rogers

Thanks for posting that. I agree that women in combat is an absolutely ridiculous idea.

My father was in the infantry. I’m thankful his life never depended upon being carried off the battlefield by a woman.

Despite the popular slogan, we CAN’T do everything men can do, and I don’t understand why we think we need to try. It isn’t a competition. We’re different. And that in no way means unequal.


38 posted on 07/16/2015 6:42:25 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: xzins

This needs to be read into the Congressional Record, with the following commentary:

“No policy, written or unwritten, should contradict these realities. Women should be PROHIBITED from front line combat roles, to avoid the consequences of this misguided social experiment.”


39 posted on 07/16/2015 6:43:47 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: Lorianne

I agree that it’s good for everyone to be weapons trained. Any family member should have the skill to protect the home with a firearm. Nor do I have any heartburn with women having survival skills. And, a gun being a great equalizer, I’ve no doubt that women have in the past and will again dispatch a good number of the enemy to meet their maker.

As you say, that’s a lot different than putting women in fighting units where all the members are trying to kill one another in combat.


40 posted on 07/16/2015 6:45:30 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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