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I still support a sober sane third party but this is another idea I throw out there with trepidation but no shame......

Moral and spiritual renewal should come first anyway and I seriously wonder how many are pursuing it. Its easier to be angry and disturbed, blame the liberals and hook up to the talk show host-Fox News-RINO posters soma to get the fantasy world of Republican Party Salvation up and running.

1 posted on 06/29/2015 5:30:35 AM PDT by Nextrush
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To: Nextrush

you know what tyranny is? its the Tea Party twice putting the GOPe in power only to twice have the GOPe screw us and side with the demoKrats...


2 posted on 06/29/2015 5:32:23 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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I haven’t heard of any protests anyplace around the USA. Have you?


3 posted on 06/29/2015 5:32:42 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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Glenn Beck, who stood with Glaad to attacks Russian ‘heterofascism’ is not going to be leading anything remotely Christian. Remember, he’s an S.E. Cupp fan.

Peaceful protest worked against Southern Democrats because largely they still had a common concept of morality. The Modern left doesn’t. They are like Jacobins or the Communists in Spain.


5 posted on 06/29/2015 5:37:53 AM PDT by Viennacon (liberals are like vomit in many ways)
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Cheerleading for the GOP and putting down the "Libs" and "Demonrats" like we're sitting in a sports bar cheering on our favorite team and dissing the other team isn't reality

Superb.

6 posted on 06/29/2015 5:38:34 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If you can't discriminate, you are not free)
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I think the solution is treason trials followed by quick hangings.


7 posted on 06/29/2015 5:38:35 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Nextrush
#TakeUsDown
8 posted on 06/29/2015 5:41:20 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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Face it. The institution of marriage has been broken for decades. There are a myriad of reasons why from the “sexual revolution”, to Uncle Sam taking over the role of provider, to desensitization to creeping moral decay (Bork had it on the money with his “Slouching Toward Gommorah” book), and on and on.

It’s no surprise to me that the sanctity of marriage means so little to generations younger than the baby boomers.


9 posted on 06/29/2015 5:41:33 AM PDT by randita (...Our First Lady is a congenital liar - William Safire, 1996)
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Iceland had a bunch of people bang pots outside their capital and forced their government to resign.

All you need is organization.


10 posted on 06/29/2015 5:41:50 AM PDT by struggle
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This is where my idea of having people watch over Civil War statues and displays has a role. Having at least a couple of people stand watch, with rotating shifts. One important thing to do is to have a cell phone camera to photograph always on hand. Most potential vandals probably would be warded off instantly by such a presence, but it would be interesting to photograph or even videotape a few that would try to act nasty and that you would diplomatically counter with solid factoids pertaining to the real racist history of the modern Democrats and record their reactions. Facebook and other social media/discussion sites including here would be a good place to showcase such images as opposed to corporate establishment newsmedia.


17 posted on 06/29/2015 5:52:32 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("Keeping your stick down used to be a commandment, but not anymore" Harry Sinden, 1988)
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The GOP is a lost cause.
There is no other choice but to decline them.
Whatever form that takes, I don’t know. But it’s been in the works for a while. Many people are just not going to bow down to the GOP, period.


18 posted on 06/29/2015 5:55:25 AM PDT by Lorianne
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Conservatives aren't going to protest anything. Nothing. Never.

Too weak. Too apathetic.

American Christians and Conservatives (and all Americans in general) are the most passive and apathetic people I've ever even heard of.

24 posted on 06/29/2015 6:00:59 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, but I think there are two reasons why civil disobedience won't work for conservative causes:

1. Conservatives are too practical. If a particular conservative is safe in his/her job and needs that job to support a family then he/she will be unwilling to risk that job by engaging in controversial behavior such as civil disobedience in support of conservative causes. One-by-one conservatives will speak up and get fired or marginalized, but we will never get together in the numbers necessary to make a difference.

2. Conservatives are not asking to be able to do things they can't currently do such as get better jobs, sit in the front of the bus, eat at lunch counters, etc. We are asking NOT to be forced to do things (that most others think are no-brainers that we should willingly do) and to be able to say things which others find hurtful. So even if we did mass in the thousands or millions, we'd be asking for things that most of the rest of the country would be wondering: Huh? What are they protesting? What are they asking for?

If someone with lots of charisma could get all orthodox religious folks (and I don't mean just Orthodox Christians) to pick a week, or better yet a month, to not go to work and not buy anything and let the chips fall where they may, then we might get somewhere.

30 posted on 06/29/2015 6:09:20 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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>>I still support a sober sane third party but this is another idea I throw out there with trepidation but no shame.<<

I still believe the core of the republican party is conservative. We should seek to make the republican part...the third party.


33 posted on 06/29/2015 6:16:52 AM PDT by servantboy777
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Today, I believe the government would have no problem whatsoever with shooting all those that would show such “hostility” to them. The media would gladly side with the government against such and claim the protestors were dangerous and an out of control mob that was bent on taking the nation down. I actually believe the time for this dissent was when Roe vs Wade was passed. If there was ever a moment to march on Washington and not leave until that was reversed, it was then. Christians in America simply weren’t willing to pay the price to do so (giving up jobs and all that goes with such a commitment). We have paid the price ever since. I also agree that moral and spiritual renewal should be the goal. You can’t lose on that one. This world and its desires are passing away, remember? He that does the will of the Lord will abide forever. There’s a better world wait’in for the meek Rubin James. I don’t know, but I’m guessing most conservatives want America “saved” so we can return to our comfortable life styles and attempt to find our life in this world - not so we can lead our nation and the world in righteousness for the glory of God. I listened to Ted Cruz’s speech yesterday. I like him very much and he is my candidate of choice but he left out repentance in his talk regarding what it would take to restore America and how he would fix it. That was disappointing. I get it, he’s making a political speech to a mixed audience where not everyone shares Christian beliefs and values. But it’s still the truth and it still needs to be said and those who do not believe still need to hear it. The gospel will always be offensive to those in rebellion against their Creator but we are commanded to speak the truth in love, anyway. I wonder if most of us are just willing to let them all go to hell. The church stopped being the church. We’re not the salt and light we’re supposed to be. We have a divided heart that wants the American dream and Jesus, too. That’s a big reason we are in the mess we are in today. We’re compromised. Perhaps difficult times and persecution will ween us away from our love of this world and remind us that “He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died.” I know human history may be turning that corner that will lead to the horrible time described in prophetic scriptures. That may be part of what we are seeing - but it still doesn’t excuse “comfortable Christian America” that’s been largely unwilling to count the cost. The hymn, Am I A Soldier of the Cross? comes to mind. “Must I be carried to the sky on flowery beds of ease while others fought to win the prize and sailed through bloody seas?” It’s past time to make the hard decisions. We need to repent, man up and count the cost of discipleship whether America tanks or not. We must become more concerned with the honor and glory of God rather than our own convenience and perhaps our own physical life.


35 posted on 06/29/2015 6:24:31 AM PDT by Lake Living
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Non-violent civil disobedience only works against a government that is rooted in Christian thought in the first place, because the political purpose of the civil disobedience is to shame the power into following its own stated beliefs. That is why Gandhi was able to overcome the British, Mandela the Afrikaaners, and King the southerners. It didn't work in Hungary in 1956, or Czechoslovakia in 1968, or Tiananmen Square in 1989, because the Soviets in the first two instances and the Red Chinese in the third did not care what they looked like to the rest of the world, and in any case they were adhering to their sworn ideology.

Our civil disobedience will not sway the Alinskyites in power. That doesn't mean we should not engage in it, only that we should have no illusions that it will sway the powerful. It is possible that it will sway some of the population, just as Christian martyrdom swayed some of the Romans in the 200s or some of the Japanese in the 1600s. But Jesus does not call us to be successful; He calls us to be faithful, and the rest is up to Him.

36 posted on 06/29/2015 6:28:45 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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Democrats are “faking” leftwards?


37 posted on 06/29/2015 6:32:38 AM PDT by subterfuge (Minneseeota: the laughingstock of the nation - for lots of reasons!)
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"I don't know if Beck plans to lead civil disobedience but he points people to MLK and Gandhi so we shall see."

Yes, we know he's obsessed with Gandhi and with that America-hating leftist, King.

Beck is not a man who can be held up as an example. Recently he told Howard Stern that he wasn't against queer marriage and never was. In fact, he said he was FOR it long before Obama was.

42 posted on 06/29/2015 7:00:10 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ( ((("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))))
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To: Nextrush
I keep coming back to marketing and branding. I am amazed and perplexed at the power and momentum of small minorities with phony trumped up complaints who dominate majorities that are essentially neutral or even agreeable with core complaints of the minority.

Conservatives desire active and successful participation by all groups. Conservatives are sincerely concerned about unfairness to individuals and minorities. But we are constantly attacked as the source of evil misery and suffering by the activist groups.

I say we could learn a lot from their tactics. Their branding and marketing have succeeded. To the extent that we can learn from their effective strategies, may define our ability to hold ground in the future.

One of my personal principles is to be aware of the fact that achieving a particular goal is often easier then keeping and holding onto the rewards of the goal you have reached. A completely different set of skills are required once a goal has been reached and we begin the process of enjoying our gains. Ok.... sorry about rambling.

43 posted on 06/29/2015 7:00:24 AM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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I disagree with the idea of classic civil disobedience; i.e. people publicly disobeying a rule or law for several practical reasons.

First I just don’t see it as necessary or smart to publicly break the law. There are other alternatives that are perfectly legal. Second, it presumes that the opposition is somewhat civil. Back in the day, governments cared about spending taxpayer dollars on unnecessary incarceration costs. No longer. Prisoners are merely an input for the corrections industry. They’d be delighted to have half a city in jail while the other half pays for it. Third, its expensive and very inefficient from a resources perspective. Better to spend resources spreading your message than on bail.

Bigger picture, I think that the best way to implement conservatism and freedom is to be conservative and free. Sort of like conservatism without the ballots. I’ll flesh to concept out over the next few day but it boils down to creatively walking our own talk. We can’t expect politicians to implement conservatism in the culture as a whole if we won’t even implement it on a micro scale.


57 posted on 06/29/2015 8:38:10 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat ( The ballot is a suggestion box for slaves and fools.)
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Civil D, might help but it won’t change anything...IMO

But I do believe that it could lead to the eventual State legislatures giving the go ahead to a Constitutional Convention of the States, which is I think our only non violent option at this point.


64 posted on 06/29/2015 9:08:18 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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