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The Confederate battle flag is what makes America stupid
PJ Media ^ | June 22, 2015 | David P. Goldman aka Spengler

Posted on 06/22/2015 12:34:25 PM PDT by C19fan

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To: Lurker

Just as long as the Yankees don’t try to move down here we don’t care what they think, do or say. Stay up North in the Democratic Socialist States of the NE.


81 posted on 06/22/2015 7:47:23 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

If it weren’t for Cook County, Illinois would most likely be one of the more conservative states in the Union.

Best,

L


82 posted on 06/22/2015 7:50:42 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Yeah that’s the ticket. :-)


83 posted on 06/22/2015 7:52:42 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Lurker

This entire country has been taken over by about 5 percent of the population. They are all commie socialist, a.k.a Hollywood elites, Democrat and Republican elites, and those idiots in the so called mainstream media. If the other 95% was not so clueless we might be able to rid ourselves of that 5% of the population who are destroying this nation. That 5 % includes the current administration and most of the judiciary.


84 posted on 06/22/2015 8:04:48 PM PDT by TonyM
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To: X Fretensis
Would have really been hard for Abraham Lincoln to acknowledge them as Federal property. Lincoln died April 15, 1865, the Fourteenth Amendment was not ratified until 9 July 1868

:sigh:

The 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments formalized the authority used to justify the Emancipation Proclamation, okay?

85 posted on 06/22/2015 8:19:05 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: greene66; C19fan; Ingtar; Godebert; hotsteppa; DCBryan1; AZLiberty; Slings and Arrows; mrmeyer; ...
The media appears to have avoided asking Hillary Clinton about the flag despite her husband signing a bill into law that stated the Arkansas state flag commemorates the Confederacy and sending letters of congratulations to the United Daughters of the Confederacy. When she does make the inevitable statement, it will be spun as a rebuke to Republicans and there will be no questions about Arkansas.

The Republican candidates were being asked about the flag in order to connect their party to the Charleston church massacre by way of the flag. The whole premise of the question was guilt by association. There was no practical reason to ask Scott Walker, running for president from the notorious Southern outpost of Wisconsin, about a flag flying in South Carolina.

What they were really being asked is, “Have you racist Republicans ended your support for killing black people.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3303157/posts?page=2

86 posted on 06/23/2015 7:12:18 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Intelligence begins with emotional acceptance of the consequences of oneÂ’s actions. Spengler)
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To: wfu_deacons

And?


87 posted on 06/23/2015 7:59:08 AM PDT by sakic
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To: Lurker

I’m sure Champaign/Urbana should be exicsed too.


88 posted on 06/23/2015 7:59:40 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Ive given up on aphostrophys and spell chek on my current device...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Well played.....


89 posted on 06/23/2015 8:01:30 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Ive given up on aphostrophys and spell chek on my current device...)
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To: odawg

People who summon the liberal media as an argument for flying the Confederate flag on state property don’t have much of an argument.

I understand it being part of Southern pride, but why should it fly on government property?


90 posted on 06/23/2015 8:03:48 AM PDT by sakic
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To: TonyM

So here we go.............
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/South_Philly_resident_asks_Geno_Steaks_to_take_off_Confederate-themed_sticker.html


91 posted on 06/23/2015 8:05:52 AM PDT by pugmama
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To: sakic

“but why should it fly on government property?”

A state government, Constitutionally, represents the will of the people. Across the nation, for example, old buildings that house seats of government have Christianity chiseled on their walls. This idea of government property being antiseptically cleansed of all hallowed cultural symbols is very new and rejects historical usage. If a state wants to fly the Confederate flag on its property, that is their constitutional prerogative. If a state does not, that is also their constitutional prerogative.


92 posted on 06/23/2015 8:30:51 AM PDT by odawg
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To: sakic

you said the flag should not fly on governmental property
I’m fairly sure Arlington National Cemetery is governmental property


93 posted on 06/23/2015 10:44:58 AM PDT by wfu_deacons
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To: odawg

Of course it is their Constitutional privilege. Does that make it right?

If Georgia wants to put a swastika on their flagpole, they could, but it would be the wrong thing to do.

No, the Confederate flag isn’t the equivalent of the swastika, but like it or not, it has been used by many as a means of hatred.

What is the argument to keep it flying on government property?

In the end, the members of government will vote and everyone will have to respect that decision no matter how it turns out.

On a personal note:

I was the first white to be invited to join an all black golf club. I accepted.

A group of 40 of us flew to South Carolina for a weekend of golf. Twice that weekend, trucks with Confederate flags drove by and taunted our group. They were s cumbags trying to use the flag as intimidation.

That was almost 20 years ago and it was when I realized it was time to take the flag down.


94 posted on 06/23/2015 11:38:00 AM PDT by sakic
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To: sakic

“If Georgia wants to put a swastika on their flagpole, they could, but it would be the wrong thing to do.”

Typical liberal BS rationalizing we use to hear during discussions in college, implying that evil darkens the soul of the great unwashed. In case you don’t know, the swastika is not an American icon.

“They were scumbags trying to use the flag as intimidation.”

No, they were scumbags using themselves to intimidate. I have seen pictures of the KKK in parade, using only the American flag. How does that differ from your experience? Did that parade morph the American flag into something evil?

It would be impossible for me to express my contempt for people who are so easily and mindlessly stampeded into a self-righteous frenzy about a flag that, until only recently, would not even cause anyone to raise an eyebrow. Remember the Dukes of Hazard? An aircraft carrier once had that symbol as its flag, it was so benign. Getting rid of the Confederate flag will not amount to a fart in a hurricane. Liberals and the self-righteous will very quickly start sniffing around to find something else, some part of OUR American heritage, to smear, besmirch, and to expunge in order to erase OUR American identity.


95 posted on 06/23/2015 12:34:06 PM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg

Ah yes, if someone disagrees with you they must be a liberal.

If you can’t understand that that flag can and has been used as a source of intimidation, you are even more simplistic than a liberal.

Not everyone uses the flag that way, but others have.

In the end, whether it be tomorrow or in 5 years, this will cease to be a topic of conversation.

Don’t worry. You’ll still be able to worship the flag. Just not in or outside government offices. In the end, economic factors win out.


96 posted on 06/23/2015 1:12:29 PM PDT by sakic
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To: sakic

“Ah yes, if someone disagrees with you they must be a liberal.”

Talk about being simplistic; I did not accuse you of being a liberal, I merely said that you were using a liberal’s logic. There is a difference.

“If you can’t understand that that flag can and has been used as a source of intimidation, you are even more simplistic than a liberal.”

My point was clear; simple minded people permit the media to stampede them emotionally. The intimidation aspect was ginned up by the media. I gave you examples of how the flag was previously used without incident.

“Not everyone uses the flag that way, but others have.”

Name something created that has not been misused.

“Don’t worry. You’ll still be able to worship the flag. Just not in or outside government offices. In the end, economic factors win out.”

Flying the flag is still a state choice. It just remains to see if the pols are as prissy as you are. Also, from a swastika on a Georgia flag pole to me worshiping the flag — can’t get away from your liberal bromides.


97 posted on 06/23/2015 1:43:39 PM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg

The central question is why you are upset about the flag leaving government flagpoles.


98 posted on 06/24/2015 3:40:07 AM PDT by sakic
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To: C19fan
In my view, Spengler's buddy "with soe background in constitutional law" got it right...and Spengler got it wrong.

Thereby eliminating his premise...

99 posted on 06/24/2015 3:53:38 AM PDT by okie01
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To: sakic

“The central question is why you are upset about the flag leaving government flagpoles.”

1.) The whole thing is a liberal media ginned up frenzy.

2.) In this case, an atrocity is being used to advance a leftest political agenda. The Confederate flag had nothing to do with it, no more that the Gold tee shirt the demon was wearing, or the watch, for that matter.

3.) Government is supposed to be of the people, by the people, for the people. If the people want a particular flag on their government flagpole, so be it. A government flagpole represents the will of the people, not the government. In the United States, historically, the government is appointed by the will of the people.

4.) Laws and decisions are supposed to be made by deliberative bodies in a deliberative fashion and not based on the emotion of the moment.


100 posted on 06/24/2015 4:56:12 AM PDT by odawg
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