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NRA version of 2nd Amendment lacks common sense
Chicago Tribune ^ | June 5, 2015 | David McGrath

Posted on 06/06/2015 8:50:57 AM PDT by stevie_d_64

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To: bruoz

great reply


41 posted on 06/06/2015 9:46:07 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: mad_as_he$$

“Geez that is all they have? Old tired and refuted argument.”

Yes. This is all they have.

And they don’t have a problem with pounding it over and over and over. A new crop of stupid grows up every year. So every year or so this kind of stupid does need to be refuted - year in and year out.

(Btw, I know you know this, but this also needs repeating. Over and over.)


42 posted on 06/06/2015 9:46:42 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: Proud2BeRight

lol


43 posted on 06/06/2015 9:46:57 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: ForYourChildren

+1.


44 posted on 06/06/2015 9:48:41 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Tzimisce

According to them the 10th amendment, the 2nd amendment and parts of the first no longer exist.

Their living, breathing Constitution was written by Karl Marx and not the founding fathers.


45 posted on 06/06/2015 9:51:53 AM PDT by crusher2013
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To: stevie_d_64

“A well stocked library being necessary to the intelligence of a free State, the right of the People to keep and read books shall not be infringed.”

Hmmm...see it says it right there! There are only certain books you commoners are allowed to have. Any elementary school librarian could see that...not!


46 posted on 06/06/2015 9:52:44 AM PDT by BlueStar
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
That makes no sense at all. There would be no need for an amendment on that basis.

Doncha know? The First amendment guarantees the right of the MILITIA to assemble, to worship, to print stuff. It isn't intended to apply to regular folk.

Where do these deluded people come from?

47 posted on 06/06/2015 9:53:01 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: marktwain

“The professor is simply lying.”

What? But these people have authority over us. They are educated. They know so much more than we do. We need to listen and just follow their lead.

They wouldn’t gruber us.


48 posted on 06/06/2015 9:53:23 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: stevie_d_64

The Fifth, Ninth and Tenth amendments cover gun ownership even if the Second doesn’t. The government can’t force people to give up lawfully owned property without due process, nor prohibit their freedom to take action to acquire guns and ammo without the same. The government also has no power to confiscate private property or ban it.

The bases are covered, gun grabbers, so kindly shut up.


49 posted on 06/06/2015 9:55:25 AM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be earned and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: marktwain
Well Regulated, in the vernacular of the day meant in good working order. Shall not be Infringed, means just that.

My Rights are God Given and He isn't an English Teacher.

Perhaps the Author should watch the Penn and Teller “Bullshit” Episode explaining the sentence structure of the Second Amendment. Commas have meaning.

50 posted on 06/06/2015 9:55:37 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Hillary, because it's time for a POTUS without a SCROTUS...)
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To: Tzimisce

And they keep coming up with stupid interpretations of the BOR.


51 posted on 06/06/2015 9:57:49 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The right of the PEOPLE, means the individual person every time it is used in the Constitution.

Wanna see a stupid lawyer trick?

What you said makes sense. Everyone understands it. But under current law, you're wrong.

Under statutory law, "persons" and "individuals" are acting in a corporate capacity, and therefore only have government granted limited privileges - and no rights.

To indicate "the People" who have rights, you have to refer to them as "man/men" and "woman/women."

If you fail to use those words, and use the words you used instead, the Court can, and will, presume you voluntarily, knowingly, surrendered your rights. And since that presumption is based on the idea that you did it of your own volition, the Court will further presume it doesn't have to tell you what it presumed about you, because it will presume you already know.

And then it will deny you your rights and replace them with government granted limited corporate privileges.

That's "how it's done," and every cop, prosecutor, lawyer and judge knows it.

Now you know it.

52 posted on 06/06/2015 9:59:20 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: stevie_d_64

What a crock, in a time and place where the meaning of words are set in water with the average recent college graduate unable to pass an eighth grade English final from his grandfather’s era, language “experts” are going to tell us what the founding fathers really meant. I think it is fairly well known that most people of that era owned firearms whether or not they belonged to the militia. Had they not we would probably never have been able to even attempt to overcome British rule so there most likely would not ever have been an American constitution, let alone a second amendment.


53 posted on 06/06/2015 10:02:13 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
All they have to do is convince enough stupid people, and there is no shortage of them.

That's why democracy appeals to them.

54 posted on 06/06/2015 10:05:53 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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To: alloysteel

To the left common sense means anything that makes sense only to a common leftist.


55 posted on 06/06/2015 10:06:00 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: stevie_d_64
There are no "versions" of the 2nd Amd. It ìs what it says it is. It is absolute. That is not widely understood, even by most staunch gun rights advocates. Mot of them still think "shall not be infringed" means well, the state can forbid nonincarcerated felons from owning guns and of course fully automatic weapons are not included and of course it doesn't mean tanks or submarines or that mental cases cannot own guns. All are wrong. The 2nd is ABSOLUTE other, posibly, than for restrictions written into the Constitution itself. The only such restriction I can derive from the Constitution is the ban on slave labor except for conviction of crimes (find the wording yourself, I'm lazy at the moment).
Shall not be infringed means that nothing shall stand prevent someone from keeping and bearing arms. The only limitation here is the term "arms" and what constitutes "arms." Doughnuts are probably exempt from this ban on infringement, and teddy bears.
56 posted on 06/06/2015 10:07:08 AM PDT by arthurus (It's true!)
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To: tet68

In order to preserve freedom, citizens have a right to be armed that cannot be infringed.

I agree with you.


57 posted on 06/06/2015 10:07:41 AM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: stevie_d_64

58 posted on 06/06/2015 10:08:35 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
All they have to do is convince enough stupid people, and there is no shortage of them.

That's why democracy appeals to them.

That's why we weren't founded as a Democracy. The founders never intended to let stupid, non-contributing people vote.

59 posted on 06/06/2015 10:08:39 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: stevie_d_64

“Literally, it means that the American people will retain the right to carry weapons as members of a state militia in order to safeguard their freedom.”

Uh no that’s what Libtards want you to think it means. :-)


60 posted on 06/06/2015 10:09:43 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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