Posted on 05/21/2015 8:09:52 AM PDT by xzins
HOMOSEXUALITYWed - 4:29 pm EST
Homosexuality , Poll
PRINCETON, NJ, May 20, 2015 (LifeSiteNews.com) -- For the first time, a majority of Americans say that homosexuals are "born that way."
According to the latest Gallup poll, 51 percent of Americans say that people are born gay or lesbian, while only 30 percent say outside factors such as upbringing and environment determine sexual orientation.
However, science would not bear that out. No fewer than eight major studies from around the world have found homosexuality is not a genetic condition.
Peter Sprigg of the Family Research Council says that these numerous, rigorous studies of identical twins have now made it impossible to argue that there is a "gay gene." If homosexuality were inborn and predetermined, then when one identical twin is homosexual, the other should be, as well.
Yet one study from Yale and Columbia Universities found homosexuality common to only 6.7 percent of male identical twins and 5.3 percent of female identical twins.
The low rate of common homosexuality in identical twins – around six percent – is easily explained by nurture, not nature.
Researchers Peter Bearman and Hannah Brueckner concluded that environment was the determining factor. They rejected outright that "genetic influence independent of social context" as the reason for homosexuality. "(O)ur results support the hypothesis that less gendered socialization in early childhood and preadolescence shapes subsequent same-sex romantic preferences."
"Less gendered socialization" means, a boy was without a positive father figure, or a girl was without a positive mother figure.
In light of the evidence, Sprigg said simply, "No one is born gay."
Psychiatrists William Byne and Bruce Parsons summarize the science: "Critical review shows the evidence favoring a biologic theory to be lacking. ... In fact, the current trend may be to underrate the explanatory power of extant psychosocial models." In other words, homosexuality is a psychological malady, not something people are born with.
Some homosexuals openly admit that their lifestyle is a choice. Lindsay Miller, who describes herself as a "queer woman," complained in The Atlantic monthly, "I get frustrated with the veiled condescension of straight people who believe that queers 'can't help it,' and thus should be treated with tolerance and pity.”
“I was not born this way,” she wrote. “The life I have now is not something I ended up with because I had no other options. Make no mistake – it's a life I chose.”
"It's time to send the 'born that way' myth to the graveyard of misbegotten ideas, buried in the plot next to the myth that the sun revolves around the earth,” Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association has written.
And yet, the myth continues to gain believers, even among conservatives. According to the new Gallup poll, Republicans are divided on whether Americans are born homosexual (40 percent) or whether same-sex orientation is determined by environmental factors (36 percent).
In previous polls, a majority of Republicans have said homosexuality is not innate. Now, according to this poll, they are equally likely to view sexual orientation as inherent, rather than a choice or a consequence of how people were raised. In all, 62 percent of Democrats believe homosexuals were born that way.
The issue affects Republican politicians who, like all politicians, base their public statements on the polls. Presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson recently apologized for merely suggesting people choose to be gay or lesbian. Sen. Marco Rubio has said that, while he does not support same-sex "marriage," he believes that people are born gay or lesbian.
Fischer says our society and particularly our presidential candidates should make policy based on medical and scientific reality, not polls. "If homosexual behavior is a choice, then our public policy can freely be shaped by an honest look at whether this behavioral choice is healthy and should be encouraged, or unhealthy and dangerous and consequently discouraged," he wrote.
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There is no debate over the health threats posed by engaging in the homosexual lifestyle. Fischer note that the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association admits homosexuals are at greater risk of AIDS, substance and alcohol abuse, depression and anxiety, hepatitis, STDs, and prostate and colon cancer.
"This is not behavior that any rational society should condone, endorse, subsidize, reward, promote or sanction in domestic policy or in the marketplace,” Fischer wrote. “It's a choice, and a bad one at that."
The Gallup poll, taken May 6-10, also reports a new record high number of Americans support same-sex "marriage."
The poll is based on telephone interviews with a random sample of 1,024 adults, aged 18 and older, living in the United States. The organization says its margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points at the 95 percent confidence level.
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If they were “born that way”, i.e. a way that does not permit reproduction to occur without deviating into heterosexuality, the genetic basis would be selected-out and homos would be very rare. The “born this way” argument fails under the most basic understanding of genetics.
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I think some sodomites are suffering from basically a birth defect.
But the majority have serious mental issues stemming from some sort of abuse usually of a sexual nature.
This propaganda is the basis of a another decision the Scotus will perhaps force upon the nation regarding homosexual marriage.
Homosexuality makes the culture, the neighborhood, more dangerous.
Some people hate a 'slippery slope' line of reasoning, but to me it makes sense. The slippery slope says that other lifestyles will also be legalized if the Scotus rules in favor of homosexual marriage. Scalia argued vehemently in that regard in the Scotus' last foray into homosexualism. He was ignored. Time has proven him correct.
So, you are right on the money.
Yeah, they hate hearing that one.
They also seem unfazed when children become entangled in the situation either through adoption or one of the parents deciding they have more fun “this way’.
The verdict is in, and it has been in for many years:
The best way to create a homosexual male is to molest him as a child.
Most male homosexuals report being abused by older boys/men.
Coincidence? Homos would say “Yes”.
Since the country has gone insane, there can be no rational debate over this.
I don't believe that number...
Sit down most average Joe or Jane American and without the pressure of PC, the vast number would say "I really don't know" or "Are you stupid, of course not ! "
There have been several studies of identical twins, (I am one) meaning both have the same DNA when conceived and there is no correlation between being gay and the DNA you carry...
Identical twins would have a much higher rate of both being homosexual and they don't...
Yes, and I wasn’t even necessarily keying on the legal aspect - just the logical aspect.
If sexual orientation is inborn, then ANY sexual orientation is inborn, period.
Exactly. Even if there was only a 1% less chance of reproduction (because, for example, social mores forced them to get married), eventually this gene or combination of genes would self-select for extinction. Which begs the question of HOW do those genes arise in the first place, i.e. what genetic advantage did they offer that would offset a lack of reproduction? None come to my mind, and I've thought about it for a while.
The "born that way" thesis is factually false based on the simplest of genetics principles. Therefore, it MUST be behavioral, which means that the mental conditions underlying it can be treated in some fashion.
Most Jay Walkers now say yes, but science says no.
What a bunch of idiots and proud of it.
What I haven’t seen in most of these studies is “what was different” for the twin that had SSA. That might be important information. Perhaps it’s too varied(?).
Also, when you’re a kid growing up, there’s a tendency to generalize your unique experiences to others, i.e., “other families and kids must be going through the same stuff as me,” or not speak out due to fear of getting in trouble. What does it mean to a kid today to be a man or a woman? That can’t be clear in their minds (as it isn’t for most adults).
Boy, what a mess. Since the family unit has been under attack for so long, is it any wonder that we might be seeing more gender confusion? I would not want to be a kid growing up now (hard enough back in the 50’s where type A personalities were championed as the only type man worth being). Liberalism, as it is defined today, is just another word for rebellion against God and his holiness and sovereignty. The Communist Party goals listed as objectives many of the destructive issues we are dealing with today in our culture. They have won, I’m afraid.
Scientifically speaking, whether they are born that way or not, queers wOULD NOT EXIST if it were not for MAN AND A WOMEN getting together.
Otherwise,I don’t understand how a MICRO percent of the population can rip and route how civilized man has live for thousands of years.
Oh that’s right, they are prog commies.
Good discussion. Thanks.
Perhaps the homosexuality of near-relatives (uncles, aunts, etc.) confers some sort of material advantage on the individual.
At least before the advent of wanton displays of homosexuality and the rise in AIDS, having a low-profile homosexual uncle or an aunt "on the down-low" - one who never married, or at least never had children - might have had its benefits. The afflicted older relative could devote more resources to raising the children of his normal relatives; the younger relatives would have more to inherit.
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>>Perhaps the homosexuality of near-relatives (uncles, aunts, etc.) confers some sort of material advantage on the individual.
molestation?
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