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Grandmama Mia! (Dowd on Clinton)
NYTimes ^ | 4/11/15 | M.Dowd

Posted on 04/12/2015 9:01:28 AM PDT by VinL

WHEN my brother Michael was a Senate page, he delivered mail to John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon, who had offices across the hall from each other.

He recalled that Kennedy never looked up or acknowledged his presence, but Nixon would greet him with a huge smile. “Hi, Mike,” he’d say. “How are you doing? How’s the family?”

It seemed a bit counterintuitive, especially since my dad, a D.C. police inspector in charge of Senate security, was a huge Kennedy booster. (The two prominent pictures in our house were of the Mona Lisa and J.F.K.) But after puzzling over it, I finally decided that J.F.K. had the sort of magnetism that could ensorcell big crowds, so he did not need to squander it on mail boys. Nixon, on the other hand, lacked large-scale magnetism, so he needed to work hard to charm people one by one, even mail boys. Hillary Clinton has always tried to be more like the Democratic president she lived with in the White House, to figure out how he spins the magic. “I never realized how good Bill was at this until I tried to do it,” she once told her adviser, Harold Ickes. But she ends up being compared with the Republican president she investigated as a young lawyer for the House Judiciary’s Watergate investigation.

Her paranoia, secrecy, scandals and disappearing act with emails from her time as secretary of state have inspired a cascade of comparisons with Nixon.

Pat Buchanan, a former Nixon adviser, bluntly told Jason Zengerle recently in New York magazine: “She reminds me of Nixon,” another pol who’s more comfortable behind the scenes than grinding it out in the arena.

As Hillary (snip)

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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Dowd is the same arrogant bitch who wrote a column right after 911 saying “The firemen we women wouldn’t give a second glance towards now caught our eye”.. Oh so in other words, because 343 of them died as the towers collapsed, NOW they are worthy of Maureen Dowd! Unreal. She is the absolute epitome of the arrogant liberal, every time I read her column it’s more of the same. Just utter arrogant gutter trash.

Her idea -- such as it was -- was that upscale women didn't like "hardhats" whistling at them on the street, but after 911 they came to appreciate and even "ogle the macho men they once spurned." It was a stupid lead-in to a column that actually seems to be about something different (women in Afghanistan?). The column got Dowd some abuse from feminists and a response from Ann Coulter.

It was the sort of thing nobody needs, but it wasn't quite as you characterize it. She put down wolf-whistlers, and working class guys, yes, but also the affluent women who spurned them and the wimpy men they were now rejecting (none of whom actually existed as real-life individuals) -- in some throwaway lines introducing the column. As Coulter said, "It was just an abstract point in a typically pointless, rambling and completely nonfactual Maureen Dowd column."

You can certainly take apart that column and this one and show the assumptions that she has that are often condescending and conceited, but if you let her get to you, she's won.

61 posted on 04/12/2015 12:02:17 PM PDT by x
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To: eCSMaster
Who uses words like "ensorcell?"

People who read Andre Norton.
62 posted on 04/12/2015 12:04:10 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: VinL
But after puzzling over it, I finally decided that J.F.K. had the sort of magnetism that could ensorcell big crowds, so he did not need to squander it on mail boys. Nixon, on the other hand, lacked large-scale magnetism, so he needed to work hard to charm people one by one, even mail boys.

Maybe the word she's struggling to come up with here is "narcissism" -- a common trait in the political world, and one that manifests itself in different ways with different politicians.

It's also one reason why JFK didn't put much into his relations with women beyond the two minutes or so that he needed.

63 posted on 04/12/2015 12:07:00 PM PDT by x
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To: Bluestocking

Well reasoned— as to any Dem. primary. Regrettably, in the general, Dowd will be true to form.


64 posted on 04/12/2015 12:12:52 PM PDT by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: VinL
bump. Well put.
65 posted on 04/12/2015 12:17:09 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: cdcdawg
Kennedy was stoned on pain killing drugs half the time. He likely didn't even know someone else was in the room.
66 posted on 04/12/2015 12:18:36 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Huskrrrr
Hey, cut MoDo some slack. She's not getting any younger, and still single, you know, and well...she just might be giving some freepers a try soon.
67 posted on 04/12/2015 12:20:41 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: blackdog
A bad tempered barely juris doctorate

Please. My 25 year old physical therapist chick calls herself "doctor" too. And the single shingle shyster down the street has a "Juris Doctor". Don't mean nuffin.

68 posted on 04/12/2015 12:25:00 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: SoCal Pubbie
FWIW, Nixon earned the enmity of the left wingers for life when he beat a communist sympathizing Congresswoman Helen Gahagan Douglas, way back when. I have a Herblock cartoon from the early fifties smearing Nixon with a totally unwarranted characterization (Herbert Block, a total unethical psychopathic asshole, plagiarized himself and used the exact same cartoon on Newt Gingrich decades later.)

The fact is, Nixon was absolutely targeted by the left wing from the git go. He was not paranoid in that sense. That was cold reality. The outcome of his presidency, ironically, is a validation of his grip on a malignant reality most Americans have shuddered to avoid.

69 posted on 04/12/2015 12:36:53 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Not congresswoman. Senator. She was running for re-election in 1950.


70 posted on 04/12/2015 12:37:58 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: ansel12

I grew up in Connecticut in the 1970’s and people then talked with JFK with adoration. Of course this was before we knew the true story of what a slimeball he really was. Richard Nixon deserves a better treatment from history. I think after this administration is finished and the histories of it are written I think Nixon will be seen in a much more positive light than he is today.


71 posted on 04/12/2015 1:44:19 PM PDT by dowcaet
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To: dowcaet

I didn’t like Nixon, and I don’t like him, but he was a vastly better human being than JFK, and America would have survived if Nixon had not been cheated in 1960, instead, JFK winning, destroyed us.

Not only did JFK give us the Vietnam war and the 1960s and unionized government, but that was his immigration bill that Ted passed in 1965 in his memory, and that was a fatal poison pill that our nation did not survive.


72 posted on 04/12/2015 1:49:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: Moonman62
This isn't exactly "news".

I think it was Penn of Penn & Teller who spoke about how Nixon, right before he made his resignation speech, was sitting there, just chatting with his aides, the cameraman, etc. A genuine mensch, even though he was about to make his historic announcement, still was great one-on-one.

It doesn't surprise me in the least that a liberal like Kennedy wouldn't deign to be charming, unless there was some kind of "gain" in it.

Maybe it's a liberal trait.

I've never heard anyone say that Al Franken is anything but an a$$hole. Even before he was famous, or a Senator.

But I have heard that for as crooked as Bill Clinton is, that he is very charming in person. To everyone.

73 posted on 04/12/2015 2:55:36 PM PDT by boop (Hey, stoop, that's got gears. It ain't no Ford.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“she just might be giving some freepers a try soon”

One you have a freeper, you never go back. :0)


74 posted on 04/12/2015 4:15:42 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: NRx; Slings and Arrows; GeronL; MeshugeMikey
Dowd absolutely loathes the Clintons. If she hated them any more I think she would start posting on FR.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Think of the horror!


75 posted on 04/12/2015 7:11:53 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Funny how Hollywood's 'No Nukes' crowd has been silent during Obama's Iranian nuclear negotiations.)
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To: Huskrrrr

The pictures of Hillary swilling booze and being obviously intoxicated surely will haunt her campaign. Or maybe I’m just dreaming!


76 posted on 04/12/2015 7:13:52 PM PDT by jayrunner
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To: a fool in paradise

That image is so wrong.


77 posted on 04/12/2015 7:19:02 PM PDT by GeronL (CLEARLY CRUZ 2016)
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To: a fool in paradise

Perhaps we should send her an invite...by way of a comment on one of her articles?


78 posted on 04/12/2015 7:23:17 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: jayrunner

You’re right!


79 posted on 04/12/2015 7:36:38 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: VinL

The Times used to have an interactive site where you could debate liberal dogmatists until the cows came home.

They stopped the unlimited debate years ago, but I still enjoy posting on their site about their articles and editorial comments when I can get in.

They cut off the comments pretty quickly these days and it’s funny to watch how quickly they cut off the comments when someone writes an article or column that goes against their liberal bias. This Dowd column got the bums rush after only 326 comments.

And some articles or commentary or editorials aren’t open to any comment at all by the great unwashed hoi polloi.


80 posted on 04/12/2015 7:50:04 PM PDT by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a murderer, and find one.... what's yoIur plan?)
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