Posted on 04/04/2015 6:16:36 AM PDT by Kaslin
A black man shouldn't be forced to bake a cake for a KKK party. A Jew shouldnt be forced to bake a cake for a Nazi shindig. A Muslim shouldn't be forced to bake a cake with pork. A gay man shouldn't be forced to bake a cake for a Westboro Baptist Churchs "God hates F@gs" party and a Christian business should not be forced to participate in a gay marriage. For that matter, a Christian shouldn't be forced to bake a cake for an orgy, a Satanist mass or an atheist meeting either.
When you say that a Christian shouldnt become a baker, florist or wedding photographer unless hes willing to violate his religious beliefs, youre directly contradicting the First Amendment which prohibits the making of any law impeding the free exercise of religion. When you make it impossible for a Christian to enter a profession without violating his faith, then you are violating the First Amendment. That should make Freedom of Religion laws completely unnecessary and if that doesnt do the trick, then common sense should do the job because businesses already refuse to serve customers for every reason under the sun.
Here at the beach, many businesses have a No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service sign. In certain areas, bars and restaurants will ask you to leave if youre wearing gang colors. If you make too much noise in a movie theater or even try to take in your own food, you will be told to leave. If a liberal atheist gives speeches for pay, you cant legally force him to give a conservative speech to a group of Christians. For that matter, even Apple, which attacked Christians in Indiana and Arkansas who dont want to violate their religious beliefs, can and does reject applications it finds offensive. Apple also does business with nations like Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Iran and Qatar that despicably murder their own citizens for being gay -- but thats a different column.
Moreover, the people being discriminated against here are Christians, not gays. If youre gay and a cake shop, florist, photographer or even a pizza place doesnt want to participate in your wedding, you should go to the next one down the street. If you suffer any damage at all, its only to your fragile self-esteem that apparently cant deal with the fact that someone exists who doesnt approve of everything you do. On the other hand, a Christian company that lives up to its principles may be fined into oblivion or lose its business entirely because it refuses to abandon its beliefs. This isnt a theoretical argument; it has happened multiple times already. Whos actually the victim? The Christian who politely declines to cater an event because it conflicts with his values or the gay grifter who deliberately picks a principled small business to try to ruin, feigns shock when it wont cater his wedding and then tries to turn destroying a decent persons livelihood into a way to gain money and attention?
Of course, non-Christians might ask what the difference is between baking a cake for say, an adulterer, or creating one for a gay marriage. The answer is that were ALL sinners, but theres a big difference between serving a sinner and actively participating in his sins. No Christian business should participate in a gay wedding and thats not a controversial point among Christians. Gay marriage is incompatible with Christianity and if you are unfortunate enough to be at one of the relatively small number of churches that tells you otherwise, it has put pleasing the world ahead of being faithful to God and you should move elsewhere as soon as possible.
Even if thats so, didnt Jesus sit down with sinners? So, shouldnt Christians cater to gay weddings? Jesus certainly did sit down with sinners, but He didnt do it on their terms. Jesus was there to help people who had gotten off track, not to get down in the mud and sin with them. If Jesus was forced to lend His carpentry services to a gay wedding, chances are Hed tell the guests that they shouldnt engage in sodomy and would suggest that they call off the wedding. Then, MSNBC would be railing against Him, Dan Savage would be calling Him a bigot and Jesus would end up making tens of millions in contributions to a GoFundMe Account set up in His name that Hed end up giving to the poor, because Hes just that kind of guy.
If people can lose their jobs for opposing gay marriage (and they have) and small businesses can be fined and harassed until theyre closed for opposing gay marriage (and they have), whats next? Will we be jailing people for refusing to go to gay weddings? Will Christian churches that oppose gay weddings (which is all of them except for a few slowly dying, corrupted liberal denominations) be run out of business? Christianity has been around since before America was a country and assuming the planet lasts that long, it will be around long after this nation is gone. So, the question isnt whether Christianity is going anywhere: its whether Christianity in America will continue going strong. The answer to that question depends on the courage of Americas Christians and their willingness to stand up for their faith.
“WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE
It died with the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and subsequent court rulings.”
Actually that was dead decades prior to the Civil Rights Act in laws that mandated there was no right to serve anyone one wants to serve.
What bothers me as a non-White American is the fact that homosexuals are equating their struggles for acceptance on par with those suffered by ethnic minorities. They’re not an ethnic minority. Theirs is not a biological condition. Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice and that should end the discussion right there. I think the militant gays have infuriated a good many people who otherwise have been tolerant of their lifestyle, and in time may have accepted their right to marry. Not anymore. This in your face, FU attitude that gay militants have adapted is backfiring big time. They may have the courts, the politicans, and the entertainment community on their side, but everyday Americans are fed up. This cuts across all party lines. There are far more Democrats who don’t support gay marriage than we’re being led to believe, but out of party loyalty and fear they say nothing. The RINOS are wrong when they say social issues should be dropped. This is where the left is carrying on their fight for the control of this country. They can’t win the debate on economic and foreign policy issues so this is their battlefield and so far in this war the GOP is already negotiating a surrender.
“That is the fascism that the Democrats are peddling since the reign of Obama.”
It goes back further than that, obama opened the gates. The barbarians are running amok in our country and the democrats invited them in and the gop-e are surrendering to them.
Since the passage of the Civil Rights Act in the mid-60s, motel owners have been forced to rent rooms to people they disapprove of, including interacial couples.
Yes, in some states prior to that the opposite applied. But I am talking about the law as it is today throughout the nation.
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Yep. Put right next to the Left-Hand store.
I am talking about state abuse.
The state mandated racial discrimination well prior to Civil Rights laws of the 60’s so in looking at the genesis of this abuse it does not emanate from the 60’s laws but the prior laws.
It is always Democrats forcing their views on others by power of the state.
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At my employer, they put up an employee of the month bio. The man had been married ten years with four kids before deciding he was homosexual, coming out to coworkers and his spouse. His bio stated “his children supported his decision”, but an at most ten year old does not understand what the Dad says or does until they are divorced and living separately.
The gay man was gushing about how he slowly came out to not just his boss but coworkers and was now active in an employee resource group, AKA networking for LBGTA.
This is not what I would consider a model employee or model behavior. All I could think of was, I feel sorry for his wife and children, and the fact that he could make four of them was proof his sexuality conversion was a choice.
>>The list of things society forces people to do should probably be pretty short. Cake baking doesnt seem like a candidate.
Great line.
Good answer by YouGoTexasGirl.
I’d also add that in most places the courts are stacked against them. Our judicial system is corrupt. When a conservative sues, he just feeds more money into the pockets of liberal lawyers.
Bingo. You can’t choose your skin color (or gender). You can choose your behavior and that is a huge difference.
I still think that business (at least non-essential businesses like caterers) ought to be able to discriminate on any basis they choose. Even if they don’t like your skin color. Harsh? Yes. Would I support them if they discriminated on the basis of skin color? No. But I would support their right to do so. (And would likely start a business to take advantage of all the money they were leaving on the table.)
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