Ben Carson: Prisons prove being gay is a choice (YouTube Video)

The Hill ^ | 03/04/2015 | avid McCabe

[NorthstarMom]

Actually, I do, Proverbs 26:11 was an example I gave. Using animals to picture character traits in a proverb is very different from using them to prove what behaviors are natural. Again, they are not using them in proverb or parable form to paint an easily understood picture. They are using very specific behaviors and saying it is natural to copy those same behaviors. Force them to be consistent in that view.

[celmak]

Again, they are not using them in proverb or parable form to paint an easily understood picture. They are using very specific behaviors and saying it is natural to copy those same behaviors. Force them to be consistent in that view.

You seem to be on something here, but I want to be sure. When you say "they", do you mean defenders of homosexuality? I'm trying to find the context in which you make your statement.

[OrangeHoof]

The next question in my mind is “If you could turn all the prisoners in our country queer, would that be a good thing or a bad thing”? Maybe if we forced estrogen therapy on our most violent criminals, would that have a positive effect or just make them more psycho?

[Arlis]

So was Reagan......?????

[TangledUpInBlue]

Yeah, this was a pretty stupid thing to say. In the CNN piece I read, I liked what he said in the last paragraph regarding gay marriage, but this whole prison thing was a stretch.

I do not support gay marriage. But I’m sorry, I don’t think being gay is a choice. I have a gay nephew and have seen young children that I’m willing to bet will be gay. They have no idea what sexual attraction even is at that age. How could they?

But that’s like saying I’m only hetero by choice and that if I wanted to, I could “turn gay”. No thanks. I mean, I suppose I could CHOOSE to have sex with a man - but it would not be pleasurable. And to me, that’s the difference. Gays enjoy sex with same sex partners.

At any rate, I don’t care if people are gay or not as long as they a) don’t shove in my face for their benefit and b) don’t change the definition of marriage for their benefit.

My nephew is a good, decent hard working citizen that volunteers time for good charitable causes. The fact that I even have to say that is pretty terrible simply because his sexual orientation is not typical. And I’m equally sorry but I simply don’t understand homophobia either. Since when does being gay mean you can’t keep your hands to yourself? I don’t go around groping random women because I’m not gay.

Sorry for the long tangent. Flame away - I’m sure I peeved someone.

[pallis]

There is a violent, sadistic element to homosexuality that fits right in with the boys in prison. As for choice or compelled perversion, we would have to know how many of those prison fudge packers were victims of pedophiles when they were younger.

[NorthstarMom]

Yes, sorry, busy starting the homeschool day while satisfying my FR addiction so I’m probably a bit vague. “They” are the defenders of sodomy.

Prov. 6:6 doesn’t mean that God wants us to literally act like an ant and carry our food on our backs to store in the maze of tunnels in our underground home. Ants are used metaphorically to teach diligence.

When I tell my kids to “be a goose” I don’t intend for them to waddle around while honking. I want to quickly paint a picture reminding them to not be easily offended...let your siblings’ words roll off your back as water does from a goose’s back.

When animal behavior is used a proof that a specific behavior is natural, the animals are not being used metaphorically. The supposition is that if something occurs in the nature, then it is natural and therefore can’t be right or wrong; it is a natural and normal behavior. Homosexual advocates, however, don’t follow their suppositions consistently and should be forced to see how foolish it is.

[celmak]

Thank you, you make very good points. I always like to stay on point when I debate the left, and now see that the tactic of animal comparisons have its dangers in staying on point. But you also present how inconsistent the left can be in their defense of homosexuality using comparison of animals; which they do often.

My prayers go to you in your home school venture with your children. My wife and I also home schooled our two girls and now they will be going to Master's collage as Juniors next Spring. They are 18 and 19 and have a 3.95 grade average (I like to brag about them, can you tell?). Home schooling is tuff, but there are GREAT dividends in doing so; especially with a Biblical foundation. You'll see it. Keep up the good work!

[RinaseaofDs]

Because when you run for president, people pay attention to what you have to say.

That’s why they ran this article.

[NorthstarMom]

Thanks :), blessings to you and your family! Success stories always help to keep me motivated as there are some days when I am ready to flag down the school bus and send my kids to school.

[Drew68]

I agree, but he does bring in different view points. Has anyone else brought up the fact of prison inmates and homosexual choice?

Kinda like how Todd Akin brought in a different point of view of rape and pregnancy. And now that Carson has opined on prisoners and homosexuality, we'll get the entertainment of watching real presidential candidates field questions on this issue from the media instead of talking about things that matter.

[Drew68]

But I’m sorry, I don’t think being gay is a choice.

I don't either. While I believe there are straight people (mostly women, few men) who "experiment" with homosexuality in their teens and 20s, by and large, I agree that most gay people were born that way.

[Morpheus2009]

Yeah, I have to agree with that one, even though the experts say that your teen son or daughter is a programmed zombie by their DNA to commit wild promiscuous sex. So just give them the birth control and the antibiotics and let them do what they want. I find the whole genes programming behavior idea rediculous and absurd. If not wording that the prince of darkness would be proud of.

[Georgia Girl 2]

I don’t know that being held down by four other guys is a choice. :-)

[PeterPrinciple]

by and large, I agree that most gay people were born that way.

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Behaviors are complex and behaviors can be modified.

1) The FIRST QUESTION is, is it appropriate behavior, not what causes it.

Then we discuss causes and ways to modify.

I suggest you study imprinting. Exposure can and will imprint the behavior.

[exnavy]

Thank you for your opinion.

[rfreedom4u]

Who you have sex with is your choice, whether you have sex is your choice.

That statement is not applicable to women and young boys in muslim countries.

[rlmorel]

There are a lot of people who were once left wingers.

Dr. Sowell described himself that way when he was entering college.

David Horowitz was a REAL radical left winger.

People can change.

[EveningStar]

Dr Carson was at one time a radical left winger. No thank you Ben, I am not going to vote for you.

So. Once a lib, always a lib - like Reagan?

[celmak]

...we'll get the entertainment of watching real presidential candidates field questions on this issue from the media instead of talking about things that matter

I believe you would be in the minority if you think that the homosexual agenda does not have to be fought in the political arena along with other even "more important" concers.

If you are specifically talking about Carson's data on homosexuals and prisons; Carson knows what he's talking about here. I have brought up the same in other debates with liberals and they have little, if no, defense for it. If you see weaknesses in this point, please let me know.