Why does no one believe the Saudis?

Oil Pro ^ | 1/13/2015 | Don Minter

[Wyatt's Torch]

Here's the chart I saw though that shows $20:

[thackney]

Do you have a link?

[Mad Dawgg]

The Saudi's know that the party will eventually come to an end.

They are drilling off shore now at ever increasing depths. They are trying to eliminate competition now while they still have cheap oil. Eventually though those big Saudi Fields will run dry and then they will just be a bunch of yahoos living in the desert.

[Wyatt's Torch]

No the point was that if the Saudi’s cut production, someone else would pick up the slack and the Saudi’s would get hit both on the lower price and the lower market share.

[Wyatt's Torch]

http://www.businessinsider.com/crude-oil-cost-of-production-2014-5

[thackney]

Stocks grow, for a time at least...

Record Oil Tankers Sailing to China Amid Stockpiling Signs
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-12/record-oil-tankers-seen-sailing-to-china-amid-stockpiling-signs.html

[usconservative]

Factual error in the article.

US oil production isn’t up one million barrels. It’s up MILLIONS of barrels a day, to the point where we’re now out producing Saudi Arabia, based in what I read.

Yes, the free market works every time it’s tried, and it’s largely thanks to the good ol USA that oil prices are falling. Don’t believe that? Take Americas oil production offline for six months and watch oil prices skyrocket back up.

[Organic Panic]

If you can’t trust brutal dictatorships, socialist thugs, and Muslim tyrants, who can you trust???

[usconservative]

True, they also have the benefit of tens or hundreds of billions of dollars of financial reserves that the rest of the Middle East and Russia do not have.

[dennisw]

I have a question. Just going by the means of production shouldn’t the natural price of diesel be cheaper than gasoline? Isn’t diesel an easier fraction to get out of your average barrel of oil? Thanks!

Please note I am not factoring in distribution, speculation and other bottlenecks.

[thackney]

Thanks for the link.

The catch is, even if that is accurate for their average cost of production (some of theirs is now offshore). It does not mean they can replace the amount of oil growth the US has had for the past 5~7 years at that price.

Commodities tend to level out at the price to produce the next unit.

I can sell a barrel of oil at $2 a barrel. But if I don’t have enough supply to meet the market demand, I won’t drive down the price with too small amount.

The Manifa project shows Saudi doesn’t have surplus cheap oil either.

[thackney]

Isn’t diesel an easier fraction to get out of your average barrel of oil?

Not any more in the US. The EPA Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel requirements added more expensive processing like hydro-treaters to get below 15 ppm sulfur.

[thackney]

It depends upon the time frame you are looking at.

[SomeCallMeTim]

There’s another chart that someone posted that shows the same, but by “Cash Costs” of production. I think that chart, if correct, is more meaningful.

[Wyatt's Torch]

Here’s the link to the Rystad Energy chart: http://www.rystadenergy.com/AboutUs/NewsCenter/PressReleases/global-liquids-cost-curve

[dennisw]

The EPA Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel requirements added more expensive processing like hydro-treaters to get below 15 ppm sulfur.

So now in America diesel is more expensive to produce than gasoline.
How about in Europe? I keep reading about super advanced diesel automobiles by Honda, Volkswagen, Toyota that the European love. These cars are not sold here

 

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[thackney]

to the point where we’re now out producing Saudi Arabia

That is only in total liquids, counting natural gas liquids, ethanol, bio-diesel, etc, as well as crude.

In only crude oil (and condensate), we produce ~9 MMBPD and the Saudis produce ~9.7 MMBPD.

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_crd_crpdn_adc_mbblpd_m.htm

http://www.eia.gov/cfapps/ipdbproject/iedindex3.cfm?tid=50&pid=57&aid=1&cid=CG9,&syid=2014&eyid=2014&freq=Q&unit=TBPD

[thackney]

Europe has a slightly higher requirement of 10 ppm, so similar or greater expenses.

I don’t know if they have applied that restriction to Gasoline yet. The US EPA is about to put it into effect, so the gasoline price will rise up like the diesel did years ago.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/tier3.htm

[mountn man]

80% of Saudi Arabia's GDP is from oil.
Saudi Aramco is state owned.

Here in the US, oil has to keep the oil company profitable.
In Saudi Arabia oil has to keep the state profitable. Government agencies are funded by oil. Government welfare programs are funded by oil. The royal family is funded by oil.

Being a kingdom, the royal family in essence owns the state. The state owns Saudi Aramco. Thus, 80% of all government money comes from oil.

Actual production costs might be low, but government expense requirements are high .

Reports I have read, place Saudi Arabias actual need for oil cost around $86-$88/bbl, to keep the government solvent.

SA produces about 9.7 million bbl per day. That's about 3.54 billion bbl a year. At $40 a bbl below whats needed, that's about $141.62 BILLION a year deficit.

$141 billion might seem small in comparison to our deficits, but Saudi Arabia has a population of 28 million vs the US of 316 million.

[matthew fuller]

Seems like the US Govt should be adding to the strategic reserve at this time. Don’t know if they are or not, haven’t heard.