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PATTON OPENS A NEW DRIVE INTO NAZIS’ FLANK; HITLER BARS A SURRENDER, WARNS DEFEATISTS (1/1/45)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 1/1/45 | Drew Middleton, Richard J.H. Johnston, Sydney Gruson, Harold Callender, Hanson W. Baldwin

Posted on 01/01/2015 4:22:41 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: history; milhist; realtime; worldwarii
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To: alfa6

Your explanation obviously is the correct one.


21 posted on 01/01/2015 1:16:38 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Gee Oh Pee: Astroturf as far as the eye can see.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I see the Japanese are predicting that the fight for Luzon will be “the decisive battle that will decide the fate of the war.” By my rough count this will be either the 4th or 5th such “decisive battle,” and the Japanese have lost them all, and badly.

You’d think they would learn to not hype these things so much.


22 posted on 01/01/2015 1:21:15 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Tax-chick
Does the Times give its writers prizes for writing stories with the fewest punctuation marks? “Two paragraphs - and you get three periods, one comma, and one semicolon!”

War-time rationing. It was written at the end of December and they'd already used up all their PMRCs* for the month.

*Punctuation Mark Ration Card

23 posted on 01/01/2015 1:21:17 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

LOL! I can just see reporters trading them around like Scrabble tiles. “Who has a dash? I used mine on the 15th. I’ll trade two apostrophes and a close-quote!”


24 posted on 01/01/2015 3:14:09 PM PST by Tax-chick (Our God is King!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Artillery was critical to the victory at Elsenborn Ridge. Here, the empty shell casings are piled as high as the muzzle.


25 posted on 01/01/2015 5:16:24 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: henkster

Bring on the decisive battle!

26 posted on 01/01/2015 5:20:39 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: occamrzr06; henkster

Well, so much for Ike’s certainty that Devers had to abandon his forward positions and Strasbourg to have any hope of stopping the German offensive.


27 posted on 01/01/2015 5:36:06 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Lol!

Tis but a scratch...I’ve had worse.


28 posted on 01/01/2015 5:37:31 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: colorado tanker

I don’t know whether Ike was a bit panicked or whether he just didn’t have confidence in Devers.


29 posted on 01/01/2015 5:39:07 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: colorado tanker

The American superiority in logistics showed up in the ability of the American Artillery to out shoot the Germans by about a 5 to 1 ratio.

The Germans were using about 1,500 tons of ammo a day and could have used quite a bit more. The US Third Army was using 3,500 tons per day and the US First Army was chipping in another 3,000 tons a day as well.

The Germans chief problem was one of transportation. As discussed earlier the poor road net and conditions combined with Allied air power and artillery superiority to greatly restrict the German’s ability to bring the needed supplies forward.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


30 posted on 01/01/2015 6:02:06 PM PST by alfa6
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To: henkster
I don’t know whether Ike was a bit panicked or whether he just didn’t have confidence in Devers.

I suspect it was both. Before the Bulge, too many were still over-optimistic and were underestimating Germany's remaining strength. After the Ardennes intelligence failure, Ike is probably wondering what else the Germans have he doesn't know about.

That said, we have discussed that Ike's dislike of Devers was deep. I can't remember if it was posted or I read it somewhere else but Marshall asked Ike for his evaluation of the senior generals in the ETO and he rated Devers near the bottom of the list. There was no way Devers could win with Ike.

31 posted on 01/01/2015 7:20:12 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Tax-chick

t lst thy ddn’t rn t f vwls lk the Hbrw wrtrs nc dd.


32 posted on 01/01/2015 9:16:32 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: bunkerhill7

Hey, loose lips...


33 posted on 01/02/2015 1:56:50 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Tax-chick

He probably was kicking out a window to escape when some underage girl’s father came home. :’)


34 posted on 01/02/2015 2:07:59 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

LOL!


35 posted on 01/02/2015 2:47:46 AM PST by Tax-chick (Start the new year right. Adopt a kitten!)
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To: alfa6

the development of the SCR-717B Long Range Radar Search Radar and the super-secret SCR-729 Low Altitude (LAB) Radar Bombsight mounted in the ASV Radar-Equipped B-24 airplane gave birth to the Snoopers.


That is interesting to know.

But all the different types of bombers and bombs on IWO JIMA give me the impression that these were practice and experimental missions, and also to protect the B29s.

The interpretation of mine that all the bombing was preinvasion hammering was always justification for me that all was done that could be done. This revelation reminds me that war is complex and wheels within wheels..........


36 posted on 01/02/2015 7:07:23 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: alfa6

By March 1944 the rapid retreat of the Japanese and their unwillingness to risk shipping in the Solomons area would result in technological unemployment for the “Snooper Squadron,” and at this time the radar planes would be authorized to serve as pathfinders for the high-altitude bombers.

http://weaponsandwarfare.com/?p=2157


So at this time in the war they had been so effective that the enemy had responded in a way to put them out of work. The new role is path finder for high altitude bombers which I would take to mean B29’s. Lemay with his low altitude bombing plan will also help make them obsolete? Further reports may give us some clues?


37 posted on 01/02/2015 7:45:16 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: PeterPrinciple; Homer_J_Simpson
History has told us that the island was heavily bombed for 2-3 months prior to invasion. The insinuation is everything was done to prepare for invasion but there is indication here that the bombing was NOT to prepare for invasion but was to protect the b29s and it was not effective?

Initially, the bombings were intended to eliminate IWO's threat to bases on Saipan. Naval bombardment of IWO would naturally serve a dual purpose in that shore batteries had to be taken out and that would count as pre-invasion naval bombardment.

38 posted on 01/04/2015 8:35:47 AM PST by fso301
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