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He'll get the money he needs, Jonathan.
1 posted on 12/18/2014 4:34:52 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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All the money is going to Jeb.


2 posted on 12/18/2014 4:37:05 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Cruz, Paul , Walker and one or two other conservatives will split up the Conservative vote allowing an Establishment candidate like Bush or Romney to mop up everything else. We have seen this picture before.


5 posted on 12/18/2014 4:45:51 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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I think I agree with that. I will certainly contribute all I can. Moreover, I think Cruz’s supporters offer something that the GOPe is not prepared for at all.

It is one thing for a GOPe candidate to be ridiculed and diminished by Democrats with canned, illogical and untrue spin. It is entirely another thing to be savaged by people with a brain that has their number.

We know them, we know all their lies, their subterfuge, their equivocations, their hypocrisies, and what their true shriveled appeasing conniving hearts hold. Savage them. Mercilessly, unceasingly. That’s the kind of primary season they could expect from me if Cruz is on deck. His opponents would be as Democrats to me - worse.


9 posted on 12/18/2014 4:55:47 AM PST by Gaffer
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“Let’s start by conceding that Cruz’s well-earned image as a Senate bomb-thrower and his truculent public personality makes him a poor bet as a general-election candidate. Being a true believer is an asset in a primary but his uncompromising style won’t win many independent or crossover voters...”

Absolute twaddle!

After the US elected (twice) the cypher, unvetted loser and demonstrated failure, “O” ... ALL BETS ARE OFF in terms of WHO can and should be considered as Presidential material!

It's a new world and the author has NO clue about what's happened here!

11 posted on 12/18/2014 5:00:52 AM PST by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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Wondering how much Tobin is getting paid for these hit pieces or who is giving him his marching orders.

Thankfully he has no credibility outside the Beltway echo chamber that he lives in.


12 posted on 12/18/2014 5:00:55 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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If Cruz decides to run, the odds are that liberals and their lap dog media will play the Constitutional eligibility card on him? Remember, what is sauce for the goose is NOT sauce for the gander with liberals. The liberal Supr. Ct. will back them up and they will argue that Obummer is now free because the issue is moot in his case
15 posted on 12/18/2014 5:04:50 AM PST by iontheball
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He'll get the money he needs, Jonathan.

Yes he will. I saw (and responded to) a post the other day where some FReeper was "disappointed" in Cruz because he was putting out feelers with money sources. He thought we had way too much "Cruz worship" going on.

I say, the sooner he obtains funding to field a run, the better - I trust his judgement and will also gladly open my own checkbook. Being retired now, I can also do some local footwork.

23 posted on 12/18/2014 5:17:18 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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The post of the day came early.

Keep the faith 2DV. It’s Cruz all the way.


25 posted on 12/18/2014 5:24:49 AM PST by InterceptPoint (Remember Mississippi)
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> “Being a true believer is an asset in a primary but his uncompromising style won’t win many ***independent*** or crossover voters.”

Tobin is a nobody and he’s also a wrong nobody. Note that he is writing for the Washington Jewish Week which is likely one of the very few places he can get a paying gig. And note that Cruz wowed Israelis in his recent trip to Israel; not that there is any love lost between Beltway Jews and Israelis.

But Tobin is eating up the lies that are fed his feeble brain. And one of those lies is that the Independents are somehow moderate. So let’s examine this lie briefly.

Salient fact: In 2012, Independents comprised 24% of the electorate. In 2014, Independents comprised 42% of the electorate (yes, it’s a fact; look it up). This latter fact is huge. It reveals a lot. And I will get it to it in a minute.

Now the ‘moderate’ figure in Mitt Romney took how many of the Independents? He won them by 1% over Obama. Winning a subgroup by one percent is in effect splitting that vote. It’s not really a win so much as it is a equal division. There is nothing statistically significant in winning 24% of the electorate by 1%. There is nothing to write home about that.

Now let’s examine a little further the 2012 Independent vote for the ‘moderate’ Romney. This was an election year that would have been a cakewalk for any candidate that inspired the GOP base. Obama was such a weak candidate coming into his 2nd run for President. Any credible opposition candidate to Obama could have taken the Independent vote by at a 10% margin yet Romney could barely win them over. That tells us the independent vote is not enamored with ‘moderate’ be all-things-to-all-people candidates.

So Tobin is retarded, what else is news?

Here’s the news that Beltway imbeciles will never get:

The largest voting block in 2014 was the Independent voter. That comprised 42% of registered voters. How is it that huge amounts of voters fled the republican and democrat parties and registered as Independents and why wasn’t this plastered in the news?

The answer is actually quite simple.

Independents are seeking credibility. They are not seeking some Beltway notion of ‘moderate’ political philosophy or image. Beltway slime is not ‘moderate’, it is responsible for a national debt which is astronomical and for a pathetic excuse of a President. No thinking person can bring themselves to follow and respect Beltway chatter about ‘moderate’ candidates when in fact the Beltway class is extreme in themselves.

But Beltway slime bubbles about in its own echo chamber. They hear only what they want to hear. A Tobin here, a Tobin there, and their words and scribbles bounce back and forth in their echo chamber never to hear the voice of the people outside even when reality smacks them upside their empty skulls with a landslide election to which they explain as low turnout or the work of the ‘master’ Karl Rove.

They never learn, they never will learn. Inability to learn in politics is described as stupidity. The Tobins of the Beltway class are stupid. But the living is good from it, just ask Gruber who scammed his way to $5 mil.

The reality is that Independents trust Ted Cruz. Ted has credibility and that is what Independents seek. Regardless of how the Tobin class seek to brand Ted Cruz as ‘extreme’, Independents do not see Cruz as ‘extreme’. What could possibly be extreme about Ted Cruz? That he loves the Constitution? That he is a master of its content and its history? That he defends it? That he calls his fellow Senators on the carpet for it?

There is nothing extreme about Ted Cruz.

What is extreme is the out of control federal government and the propaganda pigs like Tobin that feed at its trough.

Ted Cruz will take 2/3’s of the Independent vote in 2016.

Ted Cruz will take all of the Conservative base, the Reagan democrats and the Blue Collar Perot voters, and half the Latinos.

Ted will win by a landslide in 2016 either as a GOP nominee or an Independent party nominee.


30 posted on 12/18/2014 5:42:32 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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My heart aches for this country and the country, is the people, like those reading this who are savvy, and regularly pray for God’s hand to stay on our country.

I’m not hip enough to know how to do a link here at FR, so accompanying my soliloquy is this: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-17/neoconica-america-new-millennium

I want Ted Cruz or Walker or some other conservative, constitutionalist; the problem is, we are up against the uniparty. After some sobering, realistic, analysis and recent quotes from the Bushes aligning with Clintons, photos of Jeb with Jarret, I realize Cruz will need to defeat voter fraud, huge donations from crony-capitalists (remember increased the max 10-fold by Boehner), arrows from the Republicans and their Bush/Rove machines, and the media, including FauxNews - the $ and Blinderberg-Soros-Gates crap behind the scenes cannot be estimated...I’d put Koch in that category, too as they hate taxes but are social liberals...even if Fauxcohontas-Warren battles Clinton, that is a distraction because no matter who the Dem nominee is, that person/ticket will align with the GOPe and there is no difference in them except perhaps a bit on foreign relations approaches - they all ignore the Constitution.

It has to be painful to be Cruz, and he needs our prayers...I also hope his wife in her lofty banking position does not become a detriment to his success. There better be a genius internet campaign flying over the heads of the media and GOPe to reach destinations...the effort to keep him from winning the primary will be amazingly evil, like nothing we’ve ever seen.

It really saddens me that the GOP has over the years sold their soul to the devil. Laura Bush with abortion, GW aligning with Clinton...it really makes me suspect even that McCain and Bush both PURPOSELY paved the way for 0bama.

Enough rant; I really encourage you to read this ZeroHedge post as it is really well done, showing the evil things the uniparty has done to this country and how it is totally ignored (except by the bright minds here at FR). God bless everyone here and keep praying, even when you don’t think God is listening.


31 posted on 12/18/2014 5:44:39 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (In Times of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Becomes a Revolutionary Act.)
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GOP establishment should fear a Cruz run (Must read)

They do fear it, and will do everything within their power to defeat him.

43 posted on 12/18/2014 7:12:54 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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“Cruz not only sounds ornery much of the time, he generally looks it too–”

That’s OK.

I absolutely prefer that my 2016 presidential candidate be a pissed-off Conservative.


46 posted on 12/18/2014 7:46:02 AM PST by moovova
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I’m worried about the money. The big donors are looking at Jeb or Mitt or Christie.


48 posted on 12/18/2014 8:01:45 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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"Cruz won’t win votes from those who don’t like Washington dysfunction"

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58 posted on 12/18/2014 12:21:41 PM PST by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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The very conservative members of the GOP such as some of the Tea Partiers are generally considered to have an advantage in primaries because they are activists and highly motivated to beat the so-called Establishment.

Under this theoretical model of Republican politics, the most conservative candidates should win the primary for every office, not just the Presidential primaries—if, in fact, they are a majority of the party.

But somehow the votes are never there. So they always come up with conspiracy theories and villains who have stolen the election from the rightful winners.

Folks, math don’t lie. You have to win with votes and to get the majority of the votes you have to have the best candidate with the best message for the voters.

Cruz is smart, handsome and charismatic. Bush is smart, but not charismatic or handsome. It should be a good test so bring it on.


60 posted on 12/18/2014 2:27:31 PM PST by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a murderer, and find one... what's your plan?)
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Cruz won’t win votes from those who don’t like Washington dysfunction.

The exact opposite is true.

63 posted on 12/19/2014 4:36:58 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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Cruz/Pence or Cruz/Walker!

Jesus Christ: You can’t impeach Him and He ain’t gonna resign.




64 posted on 12/19/2014 11:45:21 AM PST by rdb3 (Meh! A hole-in-one is just an eagle. Sink an albatross!)
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