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Christians have abandoned politics. And millions are DYING because of it.
LifeSiteNews ^ | 12/8/14 | Jonathon van Maren

Posted on 12/09/2014 7:17:40 AM PST by wagglebee

“There is no right and wrong!” the angry university student said loudly, storming up to our campus pro-life display.

“Is that right?” my friend Caleb said slowly. The student came to an abrupt stop, realizing, perhaps for the first time, that his worldview was, in philosophical terms, an “argument to commit suicide.”

That anecdote is illustrative of how we’ve been letting the Cultural Left get away with murder. I’m not just referring to the institutionalized destruction of life in the womb or the “mercy-killing” of the old, but also the broad cultural acceptance—including among Christians—of two stupid and dangerous ideas that have allowed the Left to dominate the cultural discussion for decades.

Christians have not been losing in the public square because we do not have the arguments to respond to the New Moral Revolution of the Cultural Left. We have been losing because we have not been making those arguments, or have not been making them articulately enough. 

First, Christians are told loudly, we can’t legislate morality.

I could point out that this argument is inevitably used to justify the legality of something blatantly wicked and immoral, like abortion. Yet, I’ve heard countless Christians tell me that while they are pro-life and do believe in Christian ethics, they don’t think trying to impact public policy or bring our message to the public square is useful because “we can’t legislate our morality.”

They’re forgetting something: All laws legislate morality. All laws are put in place because of a value judgement that something should be permitted, restricted, regulated, or banned. When Christians leave the discussion, all we’re doing is ensuring that it is someone else’s code of morality that is being enshrined into law, and someone else’s values are being used as the guiding principle for governance.

If we don’t fight for the lives of pre-born children and demand legal protection for them, for example, we’re not ensuring that the government won’t legislate morality; we’re allowing those who claim that the right to destroy human life at whim exists and is moral to seize and win the day. Eventually, the government will be paying the butchers with our own tax dollars—because a New Morality has been legislated, and ours has been definitively replaced.

A very brief look at the news cycle reveals that the Cultural Left, while silencing Christians with the demand that we cease trying to “legislate our morality,” is attempting to do precisely that. When they howl that gay marriage should be legal and accepted, they are demanding this because they say it is right and good and moral. They are stating that to deny marriage to homosexuals is discriminatory, and therefore wrong. And the solution to this, they tell us, is for the government or the courts to step in and ensure that this wrong is righted, that this injustice is corrected.

It is not that they don’t think morality should be legislated. They simply think that Christian morality should not be legislated.

Which brings me to the second argument the Left has used to silence Christians: That morality is subjective, if it even exists at all. In other words, it’s okay if you believe that, but that only means its right for you. Other people must remain “true to themselves” and do “what’s right for them.”

This is obviously nothing short of profound stupidity, but a brief jaunt on to any university campus will show you that the number of those who believe that morality does not exist (while simultaneously calling fracking and Christian ethics evil) is staggering. I’ve engaged in dozens of debates that went something like this:

Student: “Well, there is no morality.”

Me: “Okay. Do you think rape is wrong?”

Student: “Of course rape is wrong!”

Me: “Why?”

Student (nervously): “Because…you can’t just force yourself on someone.”

Me: “Says who? You’re appealing to a moral law, which necessitates a lawgiver. Who says that is wrong?”

Student (relieved to have found an answer): “The government! It’s illegal!”

Me: “While I’m glad you’ve found your source of morality, wouldn’t you agree that laws have been wrong before? What about slavery? Segregation?”

This is to illustrate, of course, that morality cannot be subjective, or it is not morality. Right and wrong cannot be subjective, or they cease to exist. Appalling crimes like rape and murder should be illegal, because they are immoral. Christians would argue that they are immoral because God, the Lawgiver, has said they are. The Cultural Left cannot claim that banning abortion, for example, is immoral—because they cannot claim anything is immoral. Inevitably, their claims that something is or is not immoral is based on one thing: How they feel about something. (When they appeal to science, they are again being fallacious: Science, of course, can only tell us what is, not what ought to be. Science can reveal to us observable truths, but cannot provide us with correlating value judgements.)

Christians have not been losing in the public square because we do not have the arguments to respond to the New Moral Revolution of the Cultural Left. We have been losing because we have not been making those arguments, or have not been making them articulately enough. We’ve often bought the laughable lies that morality simultaneously does not exist, and cannot be legislated. Both of these lies are simply a means of keeping us from fighting for what is right in the public square. In many cases, we’ve vacated the battlefield. It’s time to engage like never before—because as we see with abortion, assisted suicide, and euthanasia, lives literally depend on it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; moralabsolutes; prolife; rape
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Yes, I certainly understand you high level of frustration. It is an arduous task with few people willing to stick out their necks and who are easily spooked.

As an aside, I am coming to learn that it is not just on the issues you mention where people are reluctant to do anything, but on a much, much larger scale that people are reluctant to do anything.

I see in this country many middle-class people who have just checked out. They simply want to go to work, raise their kids, and be left alone. No longer do people want, nor are they willing, to really take up any cause. Sadly, I believe people have been infused with a hopelessness, a sense of futility that it doesn't matter what they do nothing really changes.

Moreover, I really do think that Obama and Democrats share a blame here because since Clinton it seems that it no longer matters what scandal occurs people back people like Clinton, and even re-elect him. Same with Obama. Economy in the tank, trillions in debt, scandals, ineptness, and what? The country reelects him. And now Obama and Democrats openly flout the rule of law, such as how Obamacare was passed, and they see no consequences.

People have opposed homosexual “marriage” even on ballot measures, and what? Judges simply wipe out whatever the voters have said.

So, yeah, there is clearly a sense of futility among people, but the good news is that things that are impossible with men are possible with God, so take heart.

61 posted on 12/09/2014 9:09:36 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: wagglebee

Sorry about the double post.


62 posted on 12/09/2014 9:10:40 AM PST by July4
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To: GeronL

“The GOP is never going to win the White House again until it nominates a real conservative for President.” Apparently you still believe the GOP is not following the orders of the hidden oligarchs. The oligarchs will allow the GOP to nominate ‘a conservative’ when the oligarchs know they have one who is secretly still their man not the man of the People.


63 posted on 12/09/2014 9:12:37 AM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Terry L Smith

Yup. When will we believe that the Father knows are needs and therefore be emboldened as such?


64 posted on 12/09/2014 9:15:55 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: wagglebee

When both parties are opposed to your belief’s, what do you do?


65 posted on 12/09/2014 9:20:47 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: miss marmelstein; steve8714
I wish you’d bring an interpreter when you post.

No more speaking in tongues...if you will interpret for me post 25 which I don't quite understand.
66 posted on 12/09/2014 9:21:09 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: MortMan

You’re certainly free to do that, as is everybody else.
Still, the problem remains that you lose the election, again to an elitist lib.

Let’s hear ONE suggestion (just one) on how to get a conservative on the ticket. My flame-retardant has about run out on this thread LOL!

You’ll never win an election by sitting at home, complaining about the candidates, and watching the whole process unfold on TV. All while you’re stuck to your keyboard flaming newbies on FR who are your allies in this fight. Again, I despise Romney as much as you do.


67 posted on 12/09/2014 9:21:56 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: wagglebee

That’s why the Left had a white-hot seething hatred for Jerry Falwell and his allies. For a brief moment in history he convinced America that we CAN and we SHOULD legislate morality.


68 posted on 12/09/2014 9:22:00 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Resettozero

See post #8...it wasn’t you btw.


69 posted on 12/09/2014 9:24:13 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
My flame-retardant has about run out on this thread LOL!

You have not been flamed. You have been called out, though.

You will KNOW it if you're ever in a FR flame war; no LOL will be necessary should it happen.
70 posted on 12/09/2014 9:26:05 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: GeronL

You act as if he was my choice. I weighed both candidates (foul as they both were) and did what I did.

If the GOP continues to push the likes of Christie, Boehner, JEB, Graham, then...yes you are correct, they’ll never win the WH again.


71 posted on 12/09/2014 9:27:08 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Resettozero

I’ve been called just about every name in the book here on FR. So be it....No skin off of my back. I’m no lib that can’t take it.


72 posted on 12/09/2014 9:29:08 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
See post #8...it wasn’t you btw.

No. It wasn't I. You were in error but posted without an immediate correction. You still haven't corrected your error or apologized for it.
73 posted on 12/09/2014 9:29:43 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: trisham

It’s hard to find the religious leaders we had during the 70s and 80s. It was a high point when clergy came together to get involved on a political level - they made a difference!


74 posted on 12/09/2014 9:30:10 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard III: Loyalty Binds Me)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I’m sorry you feel like I’m flaming you - I was simply noting that your language implied that being here was the proof of your conservatism.

I would also posit that withholding votes *is* a long-term strategy to reclaim the party nominations for conservatives, albeit one that carries significant risks. At the bottom line, the GOP is showing that they feel as long as they are inches to the right of the worst left-wing marxist put up by the dems, then conservatives will fall in line to vote for the lesser of two evils.

Romney’s supposed electability was a major part of what propelled his candidacy. While the GOP elite clearly have not yet learned the lesson taught in 2012, perhaps some of the GOP electorate will heed the conservatives’ warnings.


75 posted on 12/09/2014 9:30:40 AM PST by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
I’ve been called just about every name in the book here on FR. So be it....No skin off of my back. I’m no lib that can’t take it.

Never called you ANY names...including "liberal". You make wild accusations when the light of truth shines on your statements.

Are you a lib that CAN take it?
76 posted on 12/09/2014 9:32:22 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: wagglebee
Strange, bercause God says there is a right and a wrong!


77 posted on 12/09/2014 9:32:25 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: miss marmelstein

Yes. We have seen some remarkable religious leaders in the past. Now, I just can’t think of one.


78 posted on 12/09/2014 9:33:55 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Resettozero

I posted my correction. That is sufficient.


79 posted on 12/09/2014 9:36:20 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
I posted my correction. That is sufficient.

Not really. And not really.
80 posted on 12/09/2014 9:37:54 AM PST by Resettozero
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