Posted on 12/04/2014 9:49:21 AM PST by servo1969
We can disagree.
And if we collapse to a point of civil war we will be disagreeing with air support and artillery fire. There will be no compromise or reconciliation at that point.
When the government fears the people there is freedom.
When the people fear the government there is tyranny.
Everyone must support one or the other.
All people who claim to be supporting both at the same time are both liars, and dangerous.
NYC can be glad I won’t be on that civil jury. That’s about all I can say.
Yeah. So it’s alright to cut off blood flow to the brain as long as the windpipe is clear...
My kid had a seizure from this BS and never lost his airway or his voice. It was the actual blood flow to his brain that was being cut off.
Why are you calling it a choke?
Because, based on the photo evidence, and my junior-high wrestling experience (for what that's worth), it is clearly a choke.
Because Garner said multiple times he could not breath.
Because the NYPD Police Commissioner, who presumably knows a little bit about his department's Use of Force Continuum (and how to spell "carotid"), called it a chokehold.
Because the coroner defined it as a homicide.
Because headlocks do not lead to peoples' deaths.
I don’t care about the race of any of the participants. Why did a choke hold need to be used on a guy selling cigarettes?
Did they try to take him? Pepper spray? Five against one should allow for several other tactics short of choking him to death.
Hard to say....could have got him at home I expect. All I know they grabbed him and he’s dead. He didn’t charged them, he didn’t grab their guns, he didn’t hit them as far as I know. All I know is he’s dead. Over selling untaxed cigarettes in a Democrat Mayor’s City.
He was short of breath because of his asthma, not a choke. I personally know an asthmatic that died from shortness of breath, no one touched her neck, no choke needed.
There is a reason jr high and high schools do not allow obese asthmatics to go out for the wrestling team.
I'll make sure to pass your diagnosis on to the person with a medical degree, who actually examined his body & the evidence, then ruled it a homicide.
Read the autopsy, look for the word ASTHMA. It is there.
Homicide is NOT the same as murder. Huge difference
Words have meaning, but few Americans bother to learn that. They just open their mouth (or keyboard) and start bloviating.
Of course they are not the same. I never said they were. For instance, a coroner would never classify a death as "murder".
The media and the likes of you accused the cop of using an illegal choke hold. The medical examiner determined he wasn't strangled. Unfortunately for the big fat slob, he decided to resist. how do you move a big fat slob without applying some kind of force? Are you saying the police should have just left him alone? You make no sense. You may as well run around "hands up don't shoot."
You need to look at the video. There may have been a choke hold, however briefly it was. But also as a prior wrestler, the choke hold did not appear to be the primary cause—it was his poor health, the failure of which was perhaps triggered by the police contact AFTER the brief “choke hold”, or in some small part because of the take down and resistance. Since governmental immunity is in play here, it would be deemed an “accident”, yet in non-immunity situation, it would be form of manslaughter.
There is no mention of Adoni in a Google News search of the latest reports on the Garner decision. There are very few mentions at all that a Black female sergeant oversaw the attempted arrest of Garner.
As a former Army officer (active duty 1968-1969) I still remember having it drilled into me that, "An officer is responsible for everything his men do or do not do." If one is looking at a group maneuver, like the Garner takedown, the ranking officer on the scene is definitely the one responsible for all that happened, just as a platoon leader would be in the military. Indeed, with a borderline hold, like the one used on Garner, the propriety of the hold was the sergeant's call; hence, she should be as accountable as, or more accountable than, the officer who applied it. In turn, it's the city administration and its police chain of command that deemed using such an excessive level of force and huge police presence appropriate to deal with one genuinely non-violent low grade petty criminal, and did so because of its fanatical desire to enforce a draconian revenue law that deliberately exploits the addicted poor. When Comrade Bill and El Presidente Obola say this was caused by racism, they're just trying to deflect accountability from their own fanatical socialism that actually killed Garner. After all, only one or two cops are all who are usually necessary to stop a drunk driver who is a real, immediate menace to public safety.
You sound bullet proof.
But don't you obey and comply with all commands from those in government?
Right?
Like I said upthread, I am unlikely to do things that will land me in jail. Things like being a cop while white.
It’s OK not to answer the question.
I understand.
I’ll gladly answer your question when you and your friends blocking traffic formulate one.
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