Posted on 11/01/2014 11:09:16 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
Well, we knew this was coming. Damn shame. The idiot is determined to grab as much as he can no matter what the expense in lives and materials.
Why doesn’t he just take it over already? I don’t understand this Mickey Mouse thing he has going on in Ukraine.
I hope Putin dies of cancer. It’d be the best thing for the people of Russia and the world.
Obama has made a mess of U.S./Russia relations.
I can’t help but think it is driven more by economics than by lust for power. If we help make them desperate we help drive them to desperate measures.
Interesting that there has been nothing about Ukraine for quite a while in the msm and the Russian intrusions are barely mentioned.
This certainly has nothing to do with economics. It is true that Putin is a thief, but Putin is the former head of the KGB/FSB and is surrounded by “former” members of the KGB. Regular criminals do not send bomber jets to pop into NATO airspace or support communist insurgencies and countries across the world, when both are bad for business. Only Communists do who are after things much grander than money, and even the mere territory of Ukraine. Here is an article for you to read that discusses this at length:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3220169/posts
Complete silence. I’ve been watching the news for stuff on Ukraine every day, and there is not a word about anything on the MSM. The only people covering it are Ukrainians, naturally, and other interested parties.
Putin was KGB but he has not been for a long time. The tragedy is that he may be driven back to those ways partly due to the ineptness of the Obama administration to deal with things diplomatically.
Keep in mind Ukraine was also communist in the past.
According to your theory, Putin is a communist and nothing will stop his push to return to those ways, being motivated by communist ideology. I disagree.
Ukraine has torn down its Lenin statues. They are still up in Russia, and Lenin's corpse is still preserved in glass case. Communism isn't dead in Russia.
According to your theory, Putin is a communist and nothing will stop his push to return to those ways, being motivated by communist ideology. I disagree.
Read that other article. You will cease disagreeing.
Bush dealt with Putin better than Obama. Do you agree with that?
The promise of capitalism has to start meaning something or the people who were used to communism will want to return to it. There are many many poor people in both Ukraine and Russia. I don’t think strong sanctions will work. In fact they will have an opposite effect.
Russia is not as weak as it is poor. They are a country with a lot of pride — good and bad. I think it is foolish and dangerous to escalate tensions. Does anyone really want to go to war with them?
I have been to Ukraine. It is a scary place. You drive by big apartment complexes with most of the windows broken—very run down. People who have jobs make a tiny amount of money. There is lots of crime and corruption. The place I stayed had armed guards. You can’t entirely separate the people from the condition of the country. It is one thing to hope for better. It is another thing to have the ability and knowhow to achieve it.
From the News: Russia says its economy would be hurt by the (EU) free trade deal because it would allow Ukraine to export cheaper European goods to Russia, undercutting local products.”
Is that so entirely different from people in the US saying BUY AMERICAN? When Ukraine decided to align with EU over Russia it was about economic issues. NOT about communism.
What I don’t get is why the EU is okay to put sanctions on Russia. Isn’t that punishing Russia in order to financially benefit themselves?
I am not saying force is right. I am saying I do see why Russia is worried about their own economy. Ukraine would be wise to accommodate Russia on at least most of this. Surely they could work out something that would benefit both of them.
~Bush dealt with Putin better than Obama. Do you agree with that?
The promise of capitalism has to start meaning something or the people who were used to communism will want to return to it. There are many many poor people in both Ukraine and Russia. I dont think strong sanctions will work. In fact they will have an opposite effect.
Russia is not as weak as it is poor. They are a country with a lot of pride good and bad. I think it is foolish and dangerous to escalate tensions. Does anyone really want to go to war with them?~
WOW. We finally have someone who have a clue on foreign policy and he is no less but a Spirit of FR:)
Maybe we haven’t yet run out of common sense here?
I’m a firm believer that to be positive and to lose interest in leftism a society needs to sustain prolonged economic growth and reach past about $20,000 average annual income.
People who are well off due to their own labor and enterprise aren’t that much fond about grabbing and redistribution, and as far as they have something to lose they are interested in a rule of law and political liberties to have influence and control with the government to limit its reach.
Poor people doesn’t need anything of the above and they are happy to see the rich who are doing better than they are to be looted ‘for a common good’ - which is leftism all about.
That is a primary reason why economic sanctions aren’t actually helping and it is also why instilling democracy into poverty-ridden hellholes never really worked.
We have Lenin statues in the USA. We tear down crosses!!
Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov provided some interesting details on the Savik Shuster show broadcast on October 30. Nemtsov called the elections in Donetsk and Luhansk a provocation and a serious violation of the Minsk agreements. He pointed out that Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is brazenly lying when he says that these elections were foreseen in Minsk agreement... according to paragraphs 3 and 9 of the Minsk agreement, elections are to be held in accordance with the laws of Ukraine.
Well put. And thanks for the link.
I have a question: who brings sanctions on America when American govt(s) doesn’t behave, one way or another, or are American govt(s) somehow exempt?
The Soviets were thinking at one point of using nukes in Afghanistan... what makes us think they prise Ukraine any less now.
He isn’t an idiot. Madman, but not an idiot. He has a short window to take back NovoRussia (the Ukraine is the birthplace of the Rus), and he knows it.
The Poles are the next major group to be eaten, after the Baltic states. They might be able to stop him if they work with the Germans, or the Germans might agree to re partition Poland as outlined in Dugin’s book.
In short, it seems like an old tune. And we have a community organizer at the helm.
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