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Ralph Nader to Apple CEO Tim Cook: Pay Chinese workers double and cut their hours in half
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Posted on 10/25/2014 2:31:17 AM PDT by Swordmaker

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To: Swordmaker
"Still crazy after all these years..."

FMCDH(BITS)

41 posted on 10/25/2014 8:42:06 AM PDT by nothingnew (Hemmer and MacCullum are the worst on FNC)
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To: Swordmaker
WHERE...is the payoff....for ralphie??


42 posted on 10/25/2014 9:18:32 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
America needs to bring back production, right here.
Conservatives, we need to formulate a plan which does that.
Not sure how, but that is important.

A good start would be to get rid of all liberal democrats who overtax and over-regulate industry. And get rid of rino repubs who think along the same lines. Massively downsize government in all forms, federal, state and local. Downsizing will lessen taxes and regulations, giving an incentive for growth of local industry. Is that a plan or what?

43 posted on 10/25/2014 11:02:10 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Agree, but that has nothing to do with what Foxcom pays its employees in China. Like I said, entirely different issue.


44 posted on 10/25/2014 3:51:53 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, the raving lunatic is still around. While I know it’s uncharitable of me to say so, I sorta hope he’s going to meet his eventual demise by being run over by a classic Corvair. I’ve never forgiven him for that particular claim to fame of his.


45 posted on 10/25/2014 4:05:21 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Swordmaker

You are as “full of crap as a Christmas Turkey.”

You can make you play on words but I am an American Manufacturer and my products are made in America by American workers......100%.

Take your definition and “stuff it.”

Whether or not you like it, if the product is not completely made in America....IT IS NOT AMERICAN! Regardless as some political definition!


46 posted on 10/25/2014 4:39:27 PM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: sportutegrl
Buy a Moto X Droid phone. Made in Texas.

I thought they were closing the Fort Worth plant.

47 posted on 10/25/2014 4:40:53 PM PDT by dfwgator (The "Fire Muschamp" tagline is back!)
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To: Swordmaker; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

(proper response) Apple to Ralph Nader — eat lead. (one silencered spark-arrested pop to the back of his head. I mean that in the nicest possible way of course)


48 posted on 10/25/2014 4:41:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: DH
You are as “full of crap as a Christmas Turkey.”

You can make you play on words but I am an American Manufacturer and my products are made in America by American workers......100%.

Take your definition and “stuff it.”

You are the one who is "playing with words" when you claim I'm full of crap. You may be an American Manufacturer, but I've been an American CEO. I've had legal counsel at my beck and call on staff. I still have an attorney on my payroll.

Look, DH, you are an idiot if you make such a claim! I suggest you talk to your legal counsel before you put that label on YOUR products. Make certain you meet the criteria, or you may find yourself in hot water. It doesn't take much to fall below the threshold. Do you have certifications from you raw materials suppliers that 100% of what they provide you was produced in the USA? Do they them from theirs? You could be at risk if you claim it and can't prove it.

Those are NOT MY PLAY ON WORDS, but the Federal Trade Commission's legal definition of those terms. You can cry "political definition" as much as you want to, but if the hard drive or other major component in a computer is imported, the computer cannot be listed as "Made in America" or "Manufacted in America" or "Made in the USA" or "Manufactured in the USA," because by a legal definition it can't, even if every other part was manufactured in the USA. READ the FTC's definition again. Computer components come from dozens of countries these days. The MacPro is remarkable for the number of domestic US parts it does incorporate.

If you don't think these legal definitions are important, and think you're safe, Google "Gibson Guitar wood seizure". That was all about where exotic wood was machined. . . and a legal definition.

There are ZERO computers that contain 100% parts made in the USA, just as there are ZERO automobiles, ZERO televisions, etc. most products, especially electronics, incorporate some parts that are imported. The simple fact is that some of the rare earths used in making modern electronics are NOT EVEN MINED IN THE United States because there are no economically viable deposits here.

The definitions to use specific levels of labeling are prescribed in LAW. I quoted directly from the FTC citations and gave THEIR examples. You are an idiot to disagree just so you can continue to BASH Apple products. I can link to the FTC regulations if you choose. . . But I'm not going to bother, because you really don't care. You just want to spread FUD.

Now, as to the Apple MacPro, Time Magazine says the MacPro is Manufactured in the USA.

YouTube takes you on a virtual tour of Apple's plant where it is made in Austin, Texas, where the major components are manufactured from raw aluminum stock.

I'm sure you can see all the Asians manufacturing the MacPro. . . oh, wait a second, they're NOT Asian or Chinese workers, they're Texans! In Austin, Texas! And what are they doing? They are manufacturing the MacPro! Assembling chips onto the logic board (which was made in the USA) with ICs, many of which were ALSO manufactured in the USA as well as some from Japan, China, Singapore and Taiwan, and an Intel processor from the USA, case manufactured on site, P/S on site, packaging printed and made in the USA. So, DH, YES, it was indeed substantially made in the United States, and Assembled here from parts from all over the world that cannot all be 100% sourced from US manufacturers. So, DH, you literally DON'T know what you're blithering about. AND you are lying when you say that "Assembled in the USA" is merely me "playing with words!" And that I'm ". . . full of crap as a Chrismas Turkey," DH. Learn a little about your own business's legal environment before you throw stones! BAH!

49 posted on 10/25/2014 7:15:52 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker
I know, but that majority of their stuff is made in China by Foxconn, which I know you know, but I'm just saying for the others. The Mac Minis, I think or at least the customer ones(?) are made in the us, too.

And we all know that about 37% of the employees at Foxconn are "stearing" technology and intel (no pun intended) fro the factories 24/7.

50 posted on 10/25/2014 8:25:45 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (Immigration without assimilation is the death of a nation)
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To: Captainpaintball
And we all know that about 37% of the employees at Foxconn are "stearing" technology and intel (no pun intended) fro the factories 24/7.

That also is not true. The one case in which a FoxConn employee was caught stealing an Apple product / Apple technology occurred in 2009. After questioning he went back to his apartment and threw himself off his third story balcony. That was the only suicide associated with Apple at a FoxConn facility. Apple security is excellent except for leaks about the releases. Their technology is not being stolen by FoxConn. The owners of the company know what they stand to lose if Apple takes their business elsewhere because of such thefts. Samsung is slowly learning that lesson the hard way. . . and Samsung's stock is off 50% because of their technology thefts from Apple and Apple's subsequent removal of more and more memory chip, screen and Apple custom processor work from them .to alternate foundries. Apple switched all screen making to other makers. . . and the rest will follow as soon as they ramp up capacity to handle what Samsung has been doing.

51 posted on 10/26/2014 2:35:35 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker
Ralph Nader, a five-time failed U.S. presidential candidate

Once more, Ralphie, pretty please. Please run third-party in 2016!

The Turd World needs you. Especially now that the Won is leaving office.

With your wise policies, those exploited Chinese workers will once again be pristine rice farmers out in the hinterlands.

52 posted on 10/26/2014 2:43:41 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Swordmaker

Nader is a known liar who has done more harm to the US economy than anyone outside of government.


53 posted on 10/26/2014 4:07:30 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Palio di Siena

He lied about the Corvair. Liberals lie to win.


54 posted on 10/26/2014 4:12:22 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Swordmaker

That we have an FTC is a shame.


55 posted on 10/26/2014 4:13:13 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Swordmaker

I was in the Yucatan with a hard Left Mexican gal. She was out to show me all the harm US companies and their maquiladoras were causing in Mexico. She drove me out to the hut of the wife of one of the workers. They were both Mayan and had two kids, a little boy and girl.

This family of four lived in obvious squalor. Their stone hut was about 14 feet by 5 feet. The family slept on four hammocks. The front door was wooden slats and the rear just a cloth strung across it. The roof was thatch. My friend opened with a lament about the maquiladoras and asked the lady to tell me all about it.

The wife goes on to wax poetic about her husband’s job. My Lefty friend blanched. The wife showed us that they could now afford the electrical hook up. They had a mini television to watch and also a radio. Two items they’d never enjoyed, let alone the electricity. Her house was tidy and the interior, though small and rustic, was well-kept.

She then took us out the back door to a patio with a corrugated metal roof her husband had built out of his wages. It was constructed around a fireplace with a chimney used to cook outside. This was her real pride and joy. It used to be that her house was full of smoke from cooking and in bad weather with all of them in the home it was miserable. Now she never got smoke in the house and they had a space about half the size of their house in which to cook and eat and relax, even during heavy rains.

My friend was quiet the whole drive back. I hoped she’d learnt something, but she didn’t. She still clung to her beliefs (and that’s exactly what they were, a religious belief that capitalism is bad) and just ignored the evidence.

These kinds of incremental changes are what make life better. They lost no liberty at the hands of a welfare state. They lost no pride of self and sense of ability at the hands of government bureaucrats. Yes, they were strikingly impoverished relative to both of us and live in a way I’ve only seen in the deep countryside, yet they were happy and felt the direct influence of self-made progress.

Isn’t that what we really want for the poor?


56 posted on 10/26/2014 4:25:18 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Swordmaker

“Apple has done more to raise conditions and pay for Chinese factory workers than any other company on earth.”

Written by someone that doesn’t know anything about China. HP ad other companies were there doing that long before Apple.


57 posted on 10/26/2014 4:49:54 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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Written by someone that doesn’t know anything about China. HP ad other companies were there doing that long before Apple.

Actually, the author is right about that. HP and other companies were happy to accept the low pay rates and long hours. Apple was not. Apple put in Apple paid monitors p, literally Apple employees at each supplier to assure compliance with their wage wage and lower hour requirements, something none of those other companies ever did.

58 posted on 10/26/2014 6:13:59 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

Is old “Unsafe at Any Speed” Ralphie Boy telling all the other brands being made in China the same thing?


59 posted on 11/04/2014 5:53:47 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: TheBattman
Is old “Unsafe at Any Speed” Ralphie Boy telling all the other brands being made in China the same thing?

Another Bingo. Ralphie is not telling the others that. He's shot his eye out.

60 posted on 11/04/2014 6:25:46 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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