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ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports (Same people BHO is dealing with)
The World (Huffington) Post / Agence France-Presse ^ | September 12, 2014 | Ryan Grim and Akbar Shahid Ahmed

Posted on 09/13/2014 5:27:30 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: plain talk

Only if you are describing ALL MOSLEMS as stuck on stupid.


61 posted on 09/13/2014 9:03:26 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Every time Obama announces a strategy or plan, ISIS responds and becomes stronger. If there’s a more direct and efficient way way to screw up a tough situation, he’ll no doubt find it. There’s never been a man with so much power and proportional ineptitude to go along with it.


62 posted on 09/13/2014 9:14:12 AM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Only a fool would trust a moslem and give them weapons and training.

Carpet bomb anything that moves,blow up the oilfields that they use for income, destroy anything with wheels and let these animals ride donkeys and camels into battle.

All this can be accomplished from the air.

Anybody agitating for a “coalition” of “moderate” rebels is out of their freaking mind at best and a subversive traitor at worst.


63 posted on 09/13/2014 9:14:15 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: arthurus

I am saying pursuing a policy that topples dictators in the middle east and replacing them with fundamentalist islamists is stupid. Obama insists upon this course and thus he is stuck on stupid.


64 posted on 09/13/2014 9:18:29 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: onedoug
Mustafa Kemal succeeded as a dictator whose model was Lenin. He deinstitutionalized Islam and installed a secular army as the Constitutional Protector of the Turkish Republic. The army intervened on several occasions when the government veered too close to Communism or when got infected anew by Islamism. The current Islamist government worked undercover patiently to purge the military and the judiciary until there was no more Protector of the Republic. Democracy, while it lasted, worked on the Latin American model.

Ataturk was ruthless and brutal as any Sultan and, indeed, he had to be to create the Republic. For instance, in his westernization drive many men in Istanbul were hung from the lamp posts on Galata Bridge after being caught wearing brimless (Moslem) hats. The cities, well-Istanbul and Izmir- developed a middle class that was nominally Moslem but was and is considered apostates by the Jihadis while the countryside remained Moslem and poor. Remaining poor is a primary reason for not effectively opposing the government's civilized veneer. Obviously ALlah does not will for them to succeed. Yet. Ultimately a market society raised the countryside to a bit of relative affluence and they rurales began to exert their inherent strength to move toward an orthodox Islamic system.

65 posted on 09/13/2014 9:18:55 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: arthurus

I don’t see poor ppl’s education causing problems. The soft, lenient approach to ‘diversity’ is the problem. I think a country can clearly define its values, culture, laws & teach them via different channels of education. No room for deviation. Those who live in that country or choose to be part of it must either abide & assimilate, or leave or if necessary be expelled. Democracy & freedom have their limits. A key success factor for some muslim countries is that whilst you can practise your religion Privately, eat your ethnic food & speak your ethnic language at home or with similar friends, you must understand, respect and fit in well with the overall culture, and laws of the country you are part of & live in. That’s only fair. In the west we’ve become too accommodating. ‘Liberal’ and secular muslim govts in muslim countries fall apart, mostly, because they either don’t or aren’t permitted (human rights) to successfully enforce a secular culture.


66 posted on 09/13/2014 9:21:12 AM PDT by odds
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To: odds

Say it isn’t so!!!!!! Clown Prince nobama, SOS liar skerry, DOD drunk liar hagel (and their foreign policy brain trust, including sandy burgler) don’t have a clue. How can this be?????


67 posted on 09/13/2014 9:24:32 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or eradication Camp?)
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To: plain talk

Obama desires an Islamic ME and an Islamic world. Toppling dictators in the ME ion favor of Jihad is a big stride in that direction. How is it stupid? You and so many others who should by now know better persist in thinking that Obama is a normal if flawed man who wants the sort of things that we want and wishes to further the interests of the US and is just stupid in what he thinks works. He is not and does not. He is a Moslem and is intelligently promoting the Conversion of all surviving men to Islam.


68 posted on 09/13/2014 9:26:36 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: plain talk

A non Moslem who acts this way would be stupid. Obama is not stupid.


69 posted on 09/13/2014 9:27:30 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: odds

Moslems cannot and will not do that any more than sufficient to keep from being killed, sequestered or expelled. When they have sufficient strength, are 6 to 10% in a normal democratic western country, they agitate and begin to sway elections. Elected officials begin to do their bidding way out of proportion to their actual numbers because a solid 6% voting bloc determines many elections. In the USA with a huge ppopulation of people who imsist on acting as if Moslems are just like any other liberals, that percentage need not be any more than 1% or even less because the pols rush to do their bidding due to the votes of the liberal Islamist sympathizers.1% of Moslems makes for a majority Islamist voting bloc in many liberal areas and enough to turn the heads of many nominally conservative pols in conservative areas.


70 posted on 09/13/2014 9:35:19 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
ISIS and a number of moderate and hard-line rebel groups have agreed not to fight each other so that they can focus on taking down the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad.
Hudna -- it's not just for infidels anymore.

Note that the AFP is the source for that -- the damning by association of the FSA comes from "another source".
71 posted on 09/13/2014 9:37:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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The Syria Revolutionaries Front (...Jabhat Thowar Suriyya) is an alliance formed in December 2013 by 14 Free Syrian Army (FSA) brigades as a response to the Islamist Islamic Front merger. The name of the group has also been translated as the Syrian Rebel Front. Following various clashes, the Islamic Front and the Syrian Revolutionaries Front have agreed to reconcile. The coalition is spearheaded by Jamal Maarouf, head of the Syria Martyrs Brigade, a member of the SRF based in Jabal al-Zawiya, Idlib. The group has supported the Geneva II Middle East peace conference that is aimed at resolving the Syrian civil war. 100 members of the coalition were killed by the Al-Nusra Front on 16 July 2014.

72 posted on 09/13/2014 9:44:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: arthurus

Then the primary problem is the ‘liberal islamist sympathizers’? Am sure muslims vote for liberals for specific reasons...policies in favor of muslims or certain grp of muslims geared to appease the muslim voters. Sounds more of a Liberal problem.


73 posted on 09/13/2014 10:00:31 AM PDT by odds
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To: ArmstedFragg

No, that is not correct. I cite Egypt as the example. The Islamic wackos ended up the losers.


74 posted on 09/13/2014 10:08:01 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Starboard; All
And now he (Obama) has been snookered.

It's out in the open now, if he continues to help the rebels in Syria it will be obvious he is helping the enemy. (Not that we didn't already know that)

I guess his meme will now be, Oh we need to help ISIS get Assad out of power.

And back in June:

Syria's Assad Helped Forge ISIS - Newsweek
www.newsweek.com/how-syrias-assad-helped-forge-isis-255631
Jun 21, 2014 - A man holds a roll of pictures of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad during a rally in support of him at al-Umawiin square in Damascus June 21, ...
Assad is his own worst enemy, he helped create and build up ISIS/ISIL and now they are coming for him.
75 posted on 09/13/2014 10:29:39 AM PDT by Syncro (IMPEACH the Islamic Criminal Sex Trafficker Coyote-in Chief Obama!)
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To: Prospero

It is truly extraordinary that we live in a country built on having a free press and an informed populace, and have allowed that same press to completely dumb down our citizens.

Does the media even know what they are doing and the effect that are having on our culture?

I think they don’t have clue. I think they are so caught up in Multiculturalism, Moral Relativism and Political Correctness and are on auto-pilot when deciding what and how to report the news.

It’s insanity.

The MSM has the same or more information available to them as we have here on this forum, yet they can’t bring themselves to present the truth because it might offend someone?. The effect, whether they realize it or not, is to marginalize the truth and that creates indifference or uncertainty at best.

I must repeat, I DON’T think the MSM is intentionally misleading people when it comes to this issue of ISIS and Islam. It would make absolutely no sense if they were. It would make them co-conspirators in the spread of a “Death Cult”. A cult of religion that abuses women and homosexuals etc, and they can’t be for that?. They can’t be that malicious.

It seems to me that the media is becoming trapped by its own obsession for political correctness. It’s like a snake that is eating its own tail.

The question becomes, “When will they realize this?”


76 posted on 09/13/2014 10:35:50 AM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: odds

The Moslems give the Liberals a certain effective weight and the liberals adopt specifically Moslem attitudes and programs because the Moslems are their “oppressed brethren.” The problem in America is Liberals. The presence of a few Moslems magnifies that problem manifold.


77 posted on 09/13/2014 10:45:37 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: arthurus

For domestic US politics i agree. Foreign policy is a different story & more complex. Maybe another discussion..


78 posted on 09/13/2014 11:23:18 AM PDT by odds
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To: Iron Munro

It is becoming painfully obvious that the plan all along was to go to war with Syria. Now, that is happening. Wake up people. The real war is not against ISIS. The real war is against Syria.


79 posted on 09/13/2014 2:11:14 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Arabic cultural norm: no hesitation in teaming up with enemies against a mutual enemy.


80 posted on 09/13/2014 2:23:59 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Solve problems, don't bitch about them.)
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