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The United States should be nervous about the Scottish independence referendum
The London Telegraph ^ | September 9, 2014 | Nile Gardiner

Posted on 09/10/2014 1:44:18 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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Next week’s referendum on Scottish independence has largely flown under the radar screen here in the United States. The cable news networks have devoted little attention so far to the issue, as the Isil threat in the Middle East continues to dominate international coverage. There has been no polling conducted on the Scottish question in the US, and it is doubtful that many Americans outside of the Washington policy bubble or the financial milieu of New York are particularly exercised by the outcome of a vote taking place over 3,000 miles away.

They should be concerned, however. What happens in Scotland will reverberate on this side of the Atlantic, and not for the better. Here are five reasons why Americans should be nervous about the outcome of next week’s vote if Scotland votes for independence.

1. The Special Relationship will be undercut.

The United Kingdom is far and away America’s biggest and most important ally. Anything that weakens Britain, and chips away at the Special Relationship, is a big negative for the United States. This fear has been amply expressed by dozens of members of the United States Congress, both Republican and Democrat, who are backing a resolution in the House of Representatives declaring that a “united, secure, and prosperous United Kingdom” is vital to US interests.

The Special Relationship is too powerful a partnership to be set adrift by a Scottish vote for independence...

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alexsalmond; britain; economy; england; isil; isis; nuclearweapons; scotland; scotlandyet; scottishindependence; ukssr; unitedkingdom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s no doubt that the newly independent Scotland will be anti-American and anti-Israel. However, England will finally get to be England again (instead of “Britain”) and I’m sure we’ll get along much better with them. Plus us Anglo-Saxons will finally have something every other people on earth has always had: an ancestral homeland.


41 posted on 09/10/2014 8:19:52 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: outofsalt
Well, I’m glad England isn’t going all George Cromwell on the lads.
A fair chunk of the early Scottish migrants settled in the south and midatlantic (rebel) states. Many have wanted independence from centralized government for a long time.

Do you mean Oliver Cromwell???

The Scottish nationalists aren't against a centralized, intrusive government. They're socialists. They think the UK isn't socialist enough, and they have that whole left wing "national liberation movement" thing going on. Plus they want to submerge Scotland into the EU.

What is it with so many conservatives that they can't believe there is such a thing as white left wing nationalism? Where does this freaking Celt-worship come from?

42 posted on 09/10/2014 8:23:58 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: matginzac
If my knowledge of Scottish history serves, they have wanted “secession” from England for quite a long time, particularly the Highlanders.

Scotland is not Ireland. Other than the Edwardian wars and Oliver Cromwell, Scotland has never been a colony of England. The current situation is a union of two equal kingdoms.

The Highlanders were not fighting for Scottish independence during the Jacobite rebellions. They were fighting to restore the House of Stuart (which had run out of Protestants) to the British throne after it was given to the Hanoverians. And the Protestant lowland Scots were every bit as anti-Jacobite and anti-Highlander as the English.

43 posted on 09/10/2014 8:30:00 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Yep. An independent Scotland will fall somewhere between Cuba and Venezuela on the political spectrum.

This!

44 posted on 09/10/2014 8:31:45 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: Timocrat

The Scots are plenty smart enough to run an independent country. But, of course, their present bent towards socialism by many young Scots is worrisome.


45 posted on 09/10/2014 8:41:15 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: manc
.... This fear has been amply expressed by dozens of members of the United States Congress, both Republican and Democrat, who are backing a resolution in the House of Representatives declaring that a “united, secure, and prosperous United Kingdom” is vital to US interests....


That always works well.

Having a bunch of folks in another country tell you how to vote. And even telling you to vote the same as the hated Eton-schooled PM in London.

Unintended consequences - I say it will be a plus for the YES vote.

46 posted on 09/10/2014 8:52:39 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: the scotsman

I should say so! Even I didn’t know they helped in Vietnam until a few years ago. Also, I remember reading a few years ago that even your left-leaning Prime Minister, Tony Blair, wanted to go into Iraq even when Bill Clinton was President. He got really frustrated with Pres. Clinton when he fiddled around about what he wanted to do. (like Barack Obama, eh?) When George Bush got in, he approached him about it and was impressed that he made up his mind much more quickly! Seems to me that Tony Blair said he would’ve tried to deal w/ Iraq, even if Pres. GWB decided not to!


47 posted on 09/10/2014 8:56:16 AM PDT by dsutah
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Just wait until the Saxons decide they are being oppressed by the Anglos.


48 posted on 09/10/2014 9:10:18 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Still talking shite I see.
Better have seal team 6, delta force and Chuck Norris in Scotland next week to protect the Ryder cup team from the nasty Scots.


49 posted on 09/10/2014 9:13:42 AM PDT by MadMitch (nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Special Relationship”

That phrase is capitalized like it is some king of homosexual thing.


50 posted on 09/10/2014 9:14:40 AM PDT by CodeToad (Romney is a raisin cookie looking for chocolate chip cookie votes.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We are Americans that believe in self rule, so why wouldn’t we support anyone wanting self rule for any reason?


51 posted on 09/10/2014 9:15:52 AM PDT by CodeToad (Romney is a raisin cookie looking for chocolate chip cookie votes.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"The United States should be nervous about the Scottish independence referendum"

Say the notorious autocrat bankers in The City through The London Telegraph.


52 posted on 09/10/2014 9:20:07 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Do you mean Oliver Cromwell???
hee, hee... Why.., yes... Yes I did.
53 posted on 09/10/2014 9:50:09 AM PDT by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Scots are no more socialist than the English. Even the Tories are radical socialists including farm interests. Many in Scotland are building to be more self-sufficient and are contributing to open source equipment plans for work and freedom. They want to get out of debt. Also a reminder that the U.K. is a member of the E.U. despite the obfuscations about that.


54 posted on 09/10/2014 9:53:04 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

England wants to keep taking revenues from Scotland’s North Sea oil. For generations, England has made many deals with terrorist enemies for oil and enriched them to help them buy influence over us, the people of western nations.


55 posted on 09/10/2014 10:00:17 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
UK PERSONAL DEBT MAP




From http://www.oilofscotland.org/


56 posted on 09/10/2014 10:05:48 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

While I am certainly concerned about it, the only recourse of a friend and a gentleman in these circumstances is to shut up and be respectful. They’ve been at this longer than we have.


57 posted on 09/10/2014 10:13:39 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: cynwoody
Adam Smith was a Scott

John Paul Jones was also a Scot, born in Lockerbie.

58 posted on 09/10/2014 10:13:57 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Leave it to a Brit to oppose a country seeking freedom. They've opposed every single one so far, this is no surprise.

And no, it really won't have "long lasting" consequences.

59 posted on 09/10/2014 10:15:38 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: outofsalt

If there were two people in history I could go back in time and beat the hell out of for personal reasons, it would have to be Oliver Cromwell and Lord Fairfax.

But they are part of the reason my fathers side of the family started coming over here in the 1620’s.


60 posted on 09/10/2014 11:26:03 AM PDT by CARDINALRULES (Tough times never last -Tough people do. DK57 -- 6-22-02)
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