America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life.
If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.
~ Joseph Stalin
Posted on 08/31/2014 11:58:15 AM PDT by Kaslin
All valid criticisms of the fallibility of humans, but one cannot correct an error or defect by introducing more defects. I encounter this argument all the time by leftists (I’m not referring to you!). I usually respond that most of the diminutions of marriage come about as a result of leftists doing their social experimentation.
I still believe that we have time to draw back from the abyss but the precipice is drawing closer, and there is a Rubicon.
You cannot un-rot an apple. If we allow society to degenerate too far there will be no chance of repair.
An excellent read. Bookmarked.
- There is no "ban" on homosexual marriage; it is merely traditional marriage being upheld and enshrined in those states' constitutions by overwhelmingly support from their people
- Comparing homosexual marriage to interracial marriages is absolutely absurd
- Homosexual marriage has never existed throughout time immortal until up until the last 5-10 years when it was created by liberal activists
- Federal judges have no jurisdiction over state constitutional amendments
I don’t see whats so complicated about it. Of course Marriage is between a man and a woman, it always has been (traditionally), if it was decided to recognize other types of relationships with the same types of rights and responsibilities (I don’t advocate this) it would need to be referred to as something else, civil unions or something like that.Quite simply-
A man, cannot be another mans “wife”, nor can he be another mans “girlfriend”, and two men cannot be “married”. Words mean things and these words are already spoken for.
(so to speak)
Worthy goals???
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument
It's not suprising that the lawyers protecting the gay marriage bans could not make use of what I presume is their institutionally indoctrinated knowledge of the Constitution, or lack thereof, to argue the following simple points in defense of the bans. (Or are the state lawyers sleeper-cell gay activists?)
Simply put, and pro-gay PC interpretations of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause aside, the states have never amended the Constitution to expressly protect gay agenda issues. So the states are free to exercise their 10th Amendment-protected sovereignty to make laws which discriminate against so-called gay “rights,” imo, as long as such laws don't also unreasonably abridge protections which the states have enumerated in the Constitution.
So Constitution-ignoring activist judges are once again evidently failing to respect the 10th Amendment-protected power of lawmakers and voters to ban constitutionally unprotected gay marriage.
Instead of wrongly legislating pro-gay "laws" from the bench, these activist judges can get off of their benches and do the following. They need to inspire Congress to propose a gay rights amendment to the Constitution to the states. And if the states then choose to ratify the amendment, then gay rights will be constitutionally enumerated and these judges will be heroes.
The idea that every child needs and deserves both a mom and a dad in his life would probably have sounded ridiculous to the judge (who, of course, had a mom and a dad himself).
Just more proof that the Rule of Law in America, whether of God or of the Constitution - is dead.
A people who are not governed by God, will be ruled by the tyranny of evil men.
We are at the time Jesus Himself foretold in Matthew 24, where lawlessness will abound and charity towards one another will cease.
Another succinct argument in evidence to state without apology that the current government and judiciary is wholly corrupt and therefore has no legitimate authority over a righteous people governed by God.
“Perhaps the low point for their side came when one was asked why Wisconsin makes it so hard for same-sex couples to adopt and ventured to say, “I think tradition is one of the reasons.””
Perhaps the reply should have been, “Because stallions don’t screw other stallions, and there is no reason to admire, support or encourage unnatural acts between perverts.”
Marriage was conceived to tie the man to the mother and children, to form and protect the nuclear family which is the foundation of Western civilization.
Homosexual marriage is a corrupt imitation of the real thing, like a man pretending to be a woman.
Homosexual adoption is sick child abuse.
Well, we warned them it would happen, a court just struck down the Utah law against polygamy, or parts of it. 12 wives living in a commune with one husband is now A-OK.
When they let the queers marry the flood gates were opened.
Marriage means nothing when it can mean anything. Livestock will be next.
None the less, gay domestic partnerships are not marriage and it's wrong to force people to participate in calling them something they're not. "marriage is to be honoured and kept holy;" Who doesn't know how it is and has been defined?
The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal.
~Aristotle
Those who wanted domestic partnerships recognized got what they wanted. To them I say, let it go, before it turns around and bites you. You're not immune to this viper's poison.
I think that the Pride Parade can only be slowed when there is a drive toward homey simple straightforward things. This is depressing but it took a 9/11 to get Americans focused on hearth and love. I love your analogy of you can’t unrot an apple. Granny Smith is getting fuzzy.
How sad that Judge Posner found it convenient to ignore the error of his/her/it’s opinion. Back in 1992 Colin Powell published in Crisis that it is “a convenient but invalid argument “ to confuse /compare Sexual Orientation to skin color. A position I do not think Colin Powell has left behind. When the Poser slides in the dung of reminding us that traditionally america banned interracial Marriage—He ignores the facts of that legal case and that it did not throw out “marriage” altogether as our errant Court has now chosen to do. Likewise at no time that I can remember has the Federal Government ever decided it had power to dictate to the States what the US supreme Court in striking the Federal DOMA did not do—i.e. dictate what the States must accept as “marriage” At this point one could apply the last verse in the Book of the Judges to America thus “In these days there was no law in America ,and every man, woman , or ? did his own Thang.
Now I have dictionaries.
Not like Funk and Wagnalls, but LEGAL dictionaries, going back to the 1500’s.
Each and every one of them says exactly the same thing.
Marriage is one MAN and one WOMAN...
Can you cite a single case of any person being lynched because of an interracial marriage?
Interracial rape? Yes, absolutely. And sometimes, the lynch mob got the wrong guy (that's what was wrong with lynch law).
But most lynchees were guilty of horrible crimes, often motivated by racial hatred. The perpetrators of the Wichita horror, or the Knoxville atrocity, for example, would undoubtedly already be dead under the gavel of Judge Lynch.
But married couples? I challenge you to produce a single case.
This is so deluded, it is hard to know where to begin.
1) Tradition is a perfectly valid argument, regardless of what some hack sarcasm droid judge says. Tradition is what binds cultures together, so even without grounds, a tradition must have a good defeater in order to do away with it.
2) It is hardly the case that those who support the Judeo-Christian vision of marriage only have ‘tradition’ as an argument. We need not rehash here all the reasons why marriage between two members of the same sex is lunacy. They have been argued to death.
3) This writer ought to know that laws involving human/animal relations as well as relations between family members are also based on ‘tradition’. Funny how he makes no argument to do away with those.
Liberals will cling to the traditions that suit them, abandon those that stand in the way of their agenda.
We have a tradition in this country of civility in politics, where we do not resort to violence against other political factions because we disagree. We do not beat and shoot people, even when they are intent on destroying the nation. Perhaps this is a tradition that should be done away with. The libs have had it coming for generations.
The fact that traditional marriage is best for society is beyond question. The inner city youth problem provides added proof. The unstated concept that homosexuals are benign and non-coercive is the exact opposite of the truth. That is why the harm spreads like a cancer.
One key reason for the creation of marriage is that it raises the power of the woman equal to and sometimes greater than that of the man. If marriage did not exist, the man would have all the power and we would be a society that was closer to the animal kingdom.
There is no scenario where tolerance of the homosexual life style ends well.
By such societal reasoning someday pigs will become cows and cows will become any desired animal and man will become women. Oops, somethings are already happening.
America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life.
If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.
~ Joseph Stalin
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