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Gay Marriage and the Limits of Tradition
Townhall.com ^ | August 31, 2014 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 08/31/2014 11:58:15 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Steelfish

I am sad that it has come to the day that I see Holmes quoted in an article where Posner is the bad guy. And I agree with Holmes....geez


41 posted on 08/31/2014 2:18:42 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Kaslin

One of the political challenges is that women don’t see the problem. To them all the characters are feminine and not a direct threat. One way to explain it is: Imagine going to work every day and part of the work requirement is for you to undress in front of, shower with, and dress in front of the most lecherous, creepy, straight male that you can think of (for help see link below). How would you feel? Have that nasty feeling in the pit of your stomach? Now you get it.

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42 posted on 08/31/2014 2:25:55 PM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: Yaelle

The deplorable state of marriage began, I think, with the concept of what was called ‘ no fault divorce ‘, back about 40 years ago. This idea trivialized marriage, and was itself the result of the sexual revolution that began years earlier. I wish an attorney for conservative thought would point out that gay marriage is not a civil right, or about marriage, but hedonism, the pursuit of pleasure for its own sake, and nothing more. Under this reasoning, cigarettes and heroin addiction are civil rights also, for they represent the pursuit of pleasure far more, and have more participants, as a percentage of the population. When the proponents suggest that it’s about companionship also, I would point out that most people have more friends than they do sex partners, friends who do not provide them with sexual pleasure. However, they’re not interested in reasoning, only the destruction of traditional America, of which marriage is part and parcel. They push the idea of gay marriage as a civil right, because civil rights are something that voters cannot do away with at the next election cycle. The very idea of it being a civil right is being endlessly repeated in the media for that very reason, even though the concept itself is ridiculous.


43 posted on 08/31/2014 2:30:05 PM PDT by Thapsus_epiphany (Si vis pacem, parabellum.)
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To: Revolutionary

Do me a favor and don’t hold us women for dumb


44 posted on 08/31/2014 2:34:57 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Things become traditional for a reason.


45 posted on 08/31/2014 2:57:33 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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46 posted on 08/31/2014 2:58:47 PM PDT by narses
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To: Kaslin

“Marriage morphed repeatedly long before gays got it. Women acquired more rights, divorce became available to anyone who wanted it, and alimony grew less common. People of different races can now marry each other even in places where it was once cause for lynching.”

“Now, since the family and human society at large spring from marriage, these men will on no account allow matrimony to be the subject of the jurisdiction of the Church. Nay, they endeavor to deprive it of all holiness, and so bring it within the contracted sphere of those rights which, having been instituted by man, are ruled and administered by the civil jurisprudence of the community. Wherefore it necessarily follows that they attribute all power over marriage to civil rulers, and allow none whatever to the Church; and, when the Church exercises any such power, they think that she acts either by favor of the civil authority or to its injury. Now is the time, they say, for the heads of the State to vindicate their rights unflinchingly, and to do their best to settle all that relates to marriage according as to them seems good.”

—Pope Leo XIII, 1880

To the state in the modern era, marriage is simply whatever judges, pols, or the majority of the voting public think it is at any one time. That’s it, that’s all it can ever be to the state.

FReegards


47 posted on 08/31/2014 3:02:02 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: rockrr
...Along with non-stop homo propaganda and recruitment.

All sorts of orientations and experimentation coming out of high schools.

I recently coached baseball therein for 3 seasons, and was all but shocked at some of the interpersonal developments that gradually took place. Ones that I would never have seen in high school in the late sixties. This despite all the homo-bashing on the field which, as a coach, is very hard to stop as it is essentially ritualistic and fluent among teenage boys.

American society's increasing acceptance of homosexuality however, will come at a price of decreasing males with higher probabilities, or desirabilities of reproduction, and given the continued weakening of traditional marriage, will come to make that institution less and less viable regardless.

I think this represents a very serious problem which, while it may not result in a significant decrease overall in the national birthrate, it will perhaps fatally impact America's traditional Judeo-Christian ethic. And when that's gone, America is surely gone.

48 posted on 08/31/2014 3:34:19 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Kaslin

But isn’t our jurisprudence system based on the tradition of English common law? Does Judge Posner favor throwing that out as our society slouches toward Gomorrah, or are the courts sacrosanct in that regard?


49 posted on 08/31/2014 3:53:13 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: rockrr

Let’s just answer the question posed:

1. Why make it hard for same sex couples to adopt?
a. Children are more likely to be molested.
b. Children have better outcomes when raised by their biological mother and father.

2. How does homosexual marriage injure anyone?

a. Makes the culture more dangerous: disease, molestation.
b. Causes early death for homosexuals.
c. Injures children...see 1b above.
d. Injures the social niche created to protect mother and child.
e. Costs society tax dollars intended for the purpose of child rearing, not sexual feelings.


50 posted on 08/31/2014 4:31:53 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Kaslin

The rationalize behind homosexual marriage is that homosexuality is normal and equal to heterosexuality. It is not equal, it is a mental disorder. There is no gay gene as is claimed by homo advocates. You do not afford the right to something as important as marriage to something as twisted as homosexuality.


51 posted on 08/31/2014 6:50:55 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Kaslin

Homosexual couples should not adopt children because it is not in the interest of the state to have children raised by homosexuals, or otherwise have the homosexual population to increase.


52 posted on 08/31/2014 7:06:16 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Slyfox
America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.
~ Joseph Stalin

Excellent and timely quote. If you ever wondered what happened to your country, there it is, all laid out neatly and concisely.

Think of how a viral or bacterial infection spreads, both in a body and from body to body, then with that picture in mind, use it as a lens to view US and the current state of our Union.

It's easy to see the infection then, like identifying a specimen on a slide under a microscope.

53 posted on 09/01/2014 6:53:22 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA; kingattax; CAluvdubya; Ms. AntiFeminazi
America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.
~ Joseph Stalin

I remember what life was like before 1963. I was just a kid, but I remember praying the Our Father in kindergarten in public school. I remember when nearly everyone had large families. I remember when nearly everyone felt good about America. And then a haze came over America and left it dismembered. Well, that is until Ronald Reagan and we got a reprieve for a while to catch our breath and feel normalcy for a while.

Satan has had his eye on defeating America for quite a while. He now has his guy in the White House. And, sometimes it all seems insurmountable.

However, I do believe that we are in the process of renewing our strength. And sooner than Obama thinks, we will be victorious.

Satan and all his cohorts be damned.

54 posted on 09/01/2014 8:16:25 AM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: rockrr

Thanks for posting this. I refuse to give Buttless-Chapsman any creditable clicks on his articles at Clownhall since he’s the token sodomite at that site.


55 posted on 09/01/2014 8:59:18 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: Slyfox
Satan has had his eye on defeating America for quite a while. He now has his guy in the White House. And, sometimes it all seems insurmountable.

When I read Revelation 18:1-24, I wonder if the US specifically and the western world in general is becoming/has become the Babylon it refers to:

Babylon the Great has fallen, and has become the haunt of devils and a lodging for every foul spirit and dirty, loathsome bird. All the nations have been intoxicated by the wine of her prostitution; every king in the earth has committed fornication with her, and every merchant grown rich through her debauchery.

Her sins have reached up to heaven, and God has her crimes in mind: she is to be paid in her own coin. She must be paid double the amount she exacted. She is to have a doubly strong cup of her own mixture. Every one of her shows and orgies is to be matched by a torture or a grief. "I am the queen on my throne," she says to herself, "and I am no widow and shall never be in mourning."

For that, within a single day, the plagues will fall on her: disease and mourning and famine. She will be burnt right up. The Lord God has condemned her, and he has great power.

Sounds more and more like US everyday the longer we stay on this path:
"There will be weeping and distress over her among all the traders of the earth when there is nobody left to buy their cargoes of goods;

All the fruits you had set your hearts on have failed you; gone forever, never to return, is your life of magnificence and ease. The traders who had made a fortune out of her will be standing at a safe distance from fear of her agony, mourning and weeping.

The more it says, the more that looks like US and where we are going.
56 posted on 09/01/2014 9:40:14 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Thapsus_epiphany

Yes, that would mean people who can’t decide which sex they are attracted to are thus being denied their civil right to marry both a man and a woman. It has now been established that no one can be denied, as a civil right, marital sex with the object of their desire. We therefore can’t legally deny a man taking vows with a Nubian goat, so long as she (or he!!!!) is over the legal goat age of eight months.


57 posted on 09/01/2014 9:54:49 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Slyfox

Very well said! I pray you’re right that we will soon see reason return to our nation.


58 posted on 09/01/2014 11:00:02 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (<------- has now left CA for NV, where guns and God have not been outlawed! Molon Labe)
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To: Yaelle
We therefore can’t legally deny a man taking vows with a Nubian goat, so long as she (or he!!!!) is over the legal goat age of eight months.

What they want is no restrictions. In those days when only a man could marry a woman there were restrictions. Couldn't marry same-sex, or your brother, sister, 1st cousin, mother, father, a young child related or not, an animal. Couldn't marry if you were "feeble-minded" or had syphilis or married to another at the time.

So what we are talking about here is the tearing down of all boundaries that were intended to protect the institution of marriage and for the protection of children.

59 posted on 09/01/2014 11:12:16 AM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: Slyfox

amen. God is not finished with America.


60 posted on 09/04/2014 7:11:55 AM PDT by kingattax (a real American would rather die on his feet than live on his knees.)
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