Posted on 08/22/2014 2:57:52 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
A woman is out of a job today because of a violent Facebook post she made about the unrest in Ferguson, Missouri.
"The police need to just start mowing them down with machine guns, purge them," she wrote, apparently in reference to the people protesting the shooting death of Michael Brown.
But she does have freedom of speech on the Facebook
“She’s also using her freedom of speech to advocate taking away the freedom of others to peacefully assemble”
this is a joke, right. If its sarcasm, good job. If the above is not, did you just wake up from a two week coma? I can get you up to speed if needed regarding “peaceful assembly” recently.
someone understands the new “free speech” paradigm.
Great post Homer.
“This lady shot off her mouth in a public forum”
OMG the gall of her. Hey watch someone get canned for writing “Brown was a typical thug and the cop did his job”
OMG HATE SPEECH!
There you go / you just admitted you really didn’t take issue about her right to speak. You assumed she was going to commit mass murder by a thought. A thought before any action...hello... is the way that I see this. Free speech is not all about feel good words. I wouldn’t want to work for a person as you because you certainly would fire me for posting my thoughts on this very issue. (when I would say to the boss, she has a right to say that!)
No Tabasco, corporations own you 24/7.
How many employees do you have.
I have had as many as1500 in my life as number one or two shot caller slash owner
You cannot fire someone for any reason you want baring contract or local law....your words more or less
The more contentious the reason for firing...theft or morals.......the more careful you better be
Facebook is a tar pit.
Thanks for that reminder.
Corpse, I just spent two hours here on FR and some other sites that Freepers posted regarding the real life horrors going on in the Ukraine regarding their war with Russian groups.
Whichever side one is on this war, every soft, clueless American, conservatives too, should see the pictures, videos and blogs. You will see the horror of things that WILL come here one day. Ignoring or wishing is not going to help.
Get tough and maybe ugly now or wait for it to be unbeatable where terror and slaughter is commonplace. And I’m not just talking about muzzie terrorists. There are a ton of other horrible groups and entities right here at home that will bring it.
KHOU story on the event...
Actually they don't. In a right to work state, yes, you can fire me without just cause but if you do so by violating any of my guaranteed rights outlined by the EEOC then YOU have a problem..not only with the government but with my labor attorney........
As a side note, if you want to bring "Corporations" into it, such corporations do have "rules of conduct" that is expected from their management employees and any perceived violation of those "rules" will likely get them terminated......but not without a significant payoff.
Such "rules" are not passed down to the average employee of those companies since they are not deemed corporate representatives.......
Good advice. I always think of whether I'd want my grandmother to see me say something. Same sort of thing. Some good advice for email, too, is if you mention anyone by name you should cc: them on the message. If you can't or won't cc them then re-word it until you could. You can trust that it'll find its way to them anyway.
Also... Never, ever, hit "send" after the second drink. Just don't. It'll wait, and you'll be very glad in the morning. :-).
As a boss I would not fire somebody for something like this. Assuming they are a valuable employee I'm just not going to fire them for something as trivial as this. It was a lapse of Internet judgment. She was probably drinking at the time. Drunk people say all sorts of stupid things... and we haven't fully adapted yet to this world where stupid stuff you say in the bar no longer stays in the room but is transmitted around the world in seconds. I would however call them into my office and privately counsel them on how poorly this reflects on them, as well as on the company, and please--- fortheluvvaGod be more careful.
Yep. Exactly so.
“using a telegraphic means to transmit incendiary comments in order to inflame the general public, ....not sure if that falls under free speech”
It doesn’t. She was advocating police massacre of people exercising their first amendment rights. If it was on a company computer or during company time, she ought to be fired under company policy, and then see how she likes unemployment.
“Little newbie... You have no Constitutionally protected Right to “protest” in advocacy of lynching someone before all the facts in the case are even known.
Go back to DU where you belong.”
Oooh ... playing the NEWBIE card! With a classic DU parry! Oh boy, I’m scared now. FYI yours truly has been hanging around here since about 2008. I just didn’t become a member until recently.
By the way, you’re playing into the hands of the race warriors. If you want to take away somebody else’s rights, be prepared to have your own rights taken away about ten seconds later.
a bad review
shortening her hours
Moving her desk
etc
doing it so quickly was a bad move.
Someone upthread mention you should not be fired if you’re not acting as a PR spokesman, However, if your profile includes your employer, they can say you are speaking as their representative. You are allowed to send a letter to the editor signing your name, however if you sign it John Doe of xxx inc. You are insinuating you are speaking for them.
For instance I have my FB account set up so that only people with whom I am already friends with can see my posts and only my friends (my immediately family and close personal friends who I have “freinded” by choice) can contact me via Facebook or comment on my posts. Otherwise what the “public” sees is very limited. And it can be previewed if you have a FB account by going to “Who can see my stuff?” and selecting “What do other people se on my timeline?” and selecting “View as”- “Public”.
When I do that all I see is my name, my profile picture - current and past profile pictures (and my profile pictures have been my 1st grade picture, a baby picture, my parent’s pictures and some cartoon like avatars – never a current or readily identifiable photo of myself) and pictures I’ve put in my picture folder which are very few and not particularly personal (and not BTW any of the pictures I’ve posted to only to my friends), who I am friends with, some pages I’ve liked; very innocuous stuff like some cooking and other TV shows and Mike Rowe’s page, and whatever I have chosen to say about myself which is pretty much nothing, including not sharing the name of my employer, age, gender, where I live, went to school or any personal contact information. And I also proved this not long ago when a friend of mine told me she was going to sign up for FB. I told her not to friend me as I wanted to see what my profile page looked like to someone with whom I was not already friends with when they searched my name. It was just as I described above.
And even with that, I am mindful of what I post as even though the only people who can see my posts are my friends, people I know and trust, if I comment on a friend’s post, I believe all their friends can see it as well and I might not know or trust them.
As an ex-HR professional, what YOU do in your own free time, is YOUR business and I have no legal right to fire you for something you may have said on the internet..........
As long as your job is that of an in-house employee and not an outside representative of the company with a public profile, then you can say and do what you want.......
I am also an HR professional. And as such I am not FB friends with anyone I currently work with. That’s IMO never a good idea, and I have gotten FB invites from current co–workers and I just ignore them. I might “think” that a co-worker is my friend but in my position it is best not to take chances. And a work place “friend” today might be your “Frenemy” tomorrow especially if you just got a promotion or in my case in HR, had to participate in giving them a verbal or written warning and or ending in a termination.
FB is one of the many social media sites that are blocked by my company on our work computers and network. I do know that our HR manager has access to it but it is not our policy to try to view potential employees or current employees’ FB pages as a matter of routine investigation or even curiosity. The only time I am aware of it being used was when someone working for the company came across posts from a co-worker who he had “friended” on FB who was out on a worker’s comp claim who posted pictures of his recent deep woods camping, hiking, hunting, fishing and cycling trip and also posted recent pictures of him building a deck on his house while allegedly too incapacitated with a severe back injury on the job to work and even had the gall to brag that “workers comp and “XYZ company” was paying for it”. Their FB “friend” was also their co-worker who very much resented this person “gaming the system” and ripping off his employer and turned him in.
And even then we turned the tip over to our workers comp insurance company and let them investigate, keeping it at arm’s length and not commenting on the source or the validity of the allegations.
I don’t have our “Social Media” policy right in front of me but FWIR, it is not particularly draconian, it is a rather standard boilerplate policy and is pretty much limited to making inflammatory, disparaging or hostile comments directly about our company, its management, our customers and vendors and one’s fellow co-workers or conveying any “insider”, “trade secrets” or otherwise any confidential company information while identifying one’s self as our employee on social media sites. Some of that is also covered under our confidentiality and trade secret agreements that every employee has to sign as a condition of employment and extends to former employees under the terms and time limitations of those signed agreement or a separation agreement if they are terminated with a severance.
However, problems and blurred lines can come into play when an employee, even one who is not a “an outside representative of the company with a public profile, and only an “in-house employee” (and I’m not heard that term before in all my years in HR and PR but I’m guessing you mean not a corporate official, officer, marketing or sales person) blurs the lines themselves by publicly associating themselves with their employer by identifying who their employer is on their FB page, linking to and or liking their employer’s website or public FB page and or on other social media sites, having many co-workers, supervisors or customer and vendor contacts as their FB “friends ” and regularly posting things about their employer and their job, even if in a very positive light and not in violation of their company’s policies otherwise , but then they go on to make comments that might be deemed “offensive” or “hostile” in the workplace (say if they stood up in the crowded lunchroom at work and said; "The police need to just start mowing them down with machine guns, purge them,") on those very same social media sites, comments that the employer would not allow in the workplace if it could be deemed as an incitement to violence, endorsing or advocating criminal activity, or constituted threatening or hostile language to certain groups of employees based on race, religion, gender, etc, etc., etc….
In other words, if you make it very “public” where you work and with whom you work with, what job you hold there for all and any to see on your social media sites, then you make what you think are your own personal opinions on those very same sites, unless you qualify that these are your personal opinions alone and not those of your employer, your company, your co-workers and the company’s customers and vendors, they might see it differently because you have already blurred the lines between speaking as an employee of the company and speaking as a private citizen.
It is not certain from the posted article whether this was the case here or not, but just some words to the wise.
Not if she's white
"Who do we want?!
Darren Wilson!
How do we want him?
DEAD!!
... is OK
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