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Don't forget about the pr0n.
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Naive libertarian thinks everything is a victimless crime.
Libertarian vs decency is more apt
Libertarianism is a theoretical construct that only works in a perfect world with perfect people. Do you know how to create a libertarian? Take a conservative and remove all common sense.
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Rule number one for promoting libertarianism to conservatives, pretend that you are a 3 legged stool conservative who just prefers the word libertarian for some reason.
The libertarians formed their own party to work their platform into american politics, libertarian rule number two, pretend that the libertarian party is all fake, why? because they write things down, and libertarians don’t want their actual positions and agenda written into plain position language.
Libertarian Party Platform:
Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”.
Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.
Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.
Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.
Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science can come up with, zero restrictions.
Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.
Military Strength; minimal capabilities.
If you want to get a dyed-in-the-wool libertarian’s panties in a wad, ask them to discuss abortion or immigration policy.
Yeah, just because we don’t want gov’t interfering with every aspect of our lives means we don’t think common fire protection is a good idea...
The continual strawman of the left -
“oh, you don’t want to pay people to sit on their asses all day? I suppose you don’t like roads & fire departments either!”
The problem with Libertarians is that they never seem to grasp that people *ARE* harming others.
I can't tell you how many pot heads I know who aren't taking care of their children, and who leave the rest of us taxpayers on the hook for THEIR BILLS.
Are these children being harmed by their parents drug use? YES!
Are innocent taxpayers being harmed by their parents drug use? YES!
How about promiscuity? How about paying for out of wedlock births? Are these children harmed by being born out of wedlock? YES!
Are the taxpayers being harmed by those children being born out of wedlock? YES!
How about Homosexuality? Do you have any idea how many nasty diseases are kept alive by the constant swapping of bodily fluids which take place amongst the homosexual community? They serve as the largest repository of sexually transmitted diseases in the nation.
Does this behavior harm people other than themselves? YES! (Ask Ryan White, Arthur Ashe, and Magic Johnson.)
Does this behavior harm taxpayers? Yes!
Again, the problem with Libertarians is that they refuse to recognize the damage done to others by people following their political philosophy. They have no ability to see the negative longer term consequences of the ideas they advocate.
Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites, — in proportion as their love to justice is above their rapacity, — in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption, — in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.
-Edmund Burke- 1791
I have libertarian leanings, but do not subscribe to the ‘victimless crime’ syndrome.
Why?
Because you, dear reader, or I, do something somewhere, and we must own up to it, every day. It’s called personal responsibility, and NOT Flip Wilson’s “The Devil Made me Do it!”
It is NOT the ‘responsibility of government to be our daddy or sugar daddy, our nanny, our nursemaid, our wetnurse’. That responsibility falls on the shoulder of each of us in the human race, period.
‘Prohibition’, in it’s time, showed what foibles the federal government can do, and how it was ineffectual, for a long time, in fighting organized crime.
‘The War Against Drugs’ ... How much money has been thrown at that wall, and can you say it has been successful, or not? It is no folly, that the federal government prospered under this war, by becoming bigger and more expensive, and with more lawyers and staff, than might have been needed, if the ‘war’ actually meant we captured, and shot the offenders, right off. less trials, less juries, less prison facilities necessary, and the word would get out quickly, too. But, nooooooo, that is not what happened, is it?
‘Prostitution’ ... the oldest profession will never go away, as long as mankind exists. If the federal government wanted to, it could TAX the operations, overnight. Think of it. Less chance of disease, maybe. Less chance of detectives making dossiers on cheating husbands, since it is a sanctioned business enterprise and legal, with the attached less chance of divorce cases, (oops less lawyers).
‘Stoop sitting welfare’ ... no work, no eat, even a part time job sweeping streets ... unless your name is Manuel and you snuck across the border, then you get zip.
‘Illegal Invasion Acroos Our borders’ ... we have been at war with terrorists, and have seen recent open threats of those wishing to destroy America. Any and all invaders should be shot, in the light of national security, period.
There is no such thing as a victimless crime, because somebody doing something to harm someone, and I do not think calling them names is a crime, in some fashion, has got to own up to it. child abuse, spousal abuse, elderly absue, doctor malpractice, hospital malpractice, cops invading ol’ granny at 2 a.m., any federal agency not operating within the Constitution, somebody had to start that, by voice, or in ink.
Those would be the people who actually have read the Libertarian Party Platform Statements over the years.
Everybody in a nation suffers under God’s wrath when a nation embraces behaviors God abhors. Victimless? The exact opposite.
So “libertarian Christian” must be oxymoronic.
Libertarians, Kicking the Welfare People, (Both queens and busineses) out of the government “garden of welfare eden” and telling them to take care of their own damned selves.....
It’s just that some Libertarians are insane, like Ron Paul. My issues with Libertarians fall around the role of the military, and the border.
Libertarianism is equal to human decency?
Ha ha ha ha ha.... (whew)