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To: Kaslin

Libertarianism is a theoretical construct that only works in a perfect world with perfect people. Do you know how to create a libertarian? Take a conservative and remove all common sense.


6 posted on 08/05/2014 11:01:40 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SVTCobra03
Do you know how to create a libertarian? Take a conservative and remove all common sense.

Tocqueville on Centralised Government in Canada and Decentralised Government in America (1856)

    The physiognomy of governments can be best detected in their colonies … (In Canada) One might fancy one’s self in the midst of modern centralization and in Algeria. Canada is, in fact, the true model of what has always been seen there. In both places the government numbers as many heads as the people; it preponderates, acts, regulates, controls, undertakes every thing, provides for every thing, knows far more about the subject’s business than he does himself—is, in short, incessantly active and sterile.

    In the United States, on the contrary, the English anti-centralization system was carried to an extreme. Parishes became independent municipalities, almost democratic republics. The republican element, which forms, so to say, the foundation of the English constitution and English habits, shows itself and develops without hindrance. Government proper does little in England, and individuals do a great deal; in America, government never interferes, so to speak, and individuals do every thing.
22 posted on 08/05/2014 11:35:05 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: SVTCobra03

[ Libertarianism is a theoretical construct that only works in a perfect world with perfect people. Do you know how to create a libertarian? Take a conservative and remove all common sense. ]

Libertarianism should not be a foundational principle but a practical question concerning government power.

Should we federalize Local fire depts? Asnwer: NO
Shoudl we federal anything local that is working? Answer: NO

It should be more about leaving local communities and states to make decisions vs. inviting the federal government in to make decisions for a supposed “common good” ie. communism.

Libertarians would be fine with a local community that decided to run itself in a communist fashion because they would be free to leave or join such a community at will.

The rub with Libertarism comes with deciding at what level are moral standards imposed via the rule of law....

Are Moral standards imposed locally or federally, and if they are imposed locally how do we prevent the federal powers from interfereing with this localisation of moral standards?

Libertarians also sometimes don’t realize that the border with Canada vs. Mexico are two totally different animals. They live to much in the theo-rhetocial realm than the practical realm and cannot apply common sense if it seems to go against their ideals even upon closer inspection it doesn’t.

If Mexico was just like Canada in matters of social and economic matters then having a border with Mexico as free as the Canadian border would be a NO BRAINER. However this is not the case. This is exactly why Free Trade is so disruptive....

Free trade between us and canada will not cause that much of a problem if any, but between countires that are so skewed compared to us uin terms of labor costs and regulation will cause havok on the economies of those who are more regulated.

The Libertarian party needs to wake up to the practical and realize that they need to use philsophy as a guide and not as dictator.


32 posted on 08/05/2014 12:12:13 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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