Posted on 07/20/2014 11:26:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Feel free to grow or raise your own food. Nobody is stopping. Alternatively, you can choose to purchase what other people are willing to produce and sell. You have no claim on that until you buy it.
Organic, I guess that means it was grown with the help of organic "petrochemicals" made from 100% natural ultra-composted biomass.
My car runs on compost too.
I tell you what. you give me your best guess at what too much is for a mouse then I will provide the study including link that shows the numbers.
You don't even have a passing training in the field, do you?
/johnny
PLONK!
/johnny
And you do?
See I know the rules of Socratic Dialog and all of the fallacies used by people who wish to cover up the fact that the facts don't support their assertions.
Take you ad hominem to where the kiddies play.
/johnny
Very wise on your part. It would reveal that you are not the expert you claim...
Your assertions are meaningless, and false.
/johnny
Ahh so your fist attempt at fallacious argument, ad hominem, failed now you moved on to Non Sequitur sorry still not playing...
They need to stop getting a pass.
Really?
I in fact have claimed that Mice are fed MSG to make them fat AND I have provided proof via numerous peer reviewed studies.
You on the other hand have claimed you are an expert on the matter cuz you went to cookin' school yet you have not provided a single cite of fact just your assurance that you is an expert who went to cookin' school.
Corporations are not “fundamentally” evil. They become evil bit by bit by colluding with government, which asks a little here and there and before long the government has it’s arm up the corporate rectum playing puppeteer.
Lay down with dogs, and you wake up with fleas. Keep going to bed with dogs, you might become a dog too.
“Sure we’ll do that small favor” they answer the lobbyist “How about we do that thing that will hamstrung your competition while we’re at it?”
They get you on the hook and you become the bait. They raise barriers of entry, they raise regulations and taxes so the competition finds it hard to impossible to compete.
Pretty soon the corporation that got there first is the big boy, thanks to politicians who will now use them as the “fat cat” whipping boy to rile up the peasants against them.
Then up goes the taxes, onerous regulations, mandatory benefits, backroom bribes, paying off both major parties, making sure to buy enough ad time so the MSM leaves you mostly alone....
What to do.... find a cheaper workforce.... find a place with lower corporate tax rates (everywhere on Earth)... or maybe import those cheap workers here, those same politicians suggest helpfully. Trust us, they say, it’ll be good for everyone.
Oops, you didn’t obey regulation #101,438 part D... which completely contradicts another regulation.... class-action lawsuit!... better pay up the courts say! A billion or so for starters.
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On and on and on....
It is a perverse and corrupted system from the get-go. I don’t see how any person can support this mess.
It is not a case of “Stop bashing corporations!”. I support the idea of corporations but I also free enterprise and what we have today is so very far from free.
lol
I don't think that means what you think it means. But that's not surprising for a windbag.
I said that MSG is used to make mice fat for scientific studies on obesity.
Yes, and I said that when you overwhelm the body with anything, bad shit will happen. Scientists injecting or force feeding MSG into lab rats in quantities that have absolutely no relationship to real world human consumption has nothing to do with science. You might recall me saying that in just about all of my responses to your stupidity.
What is the purpose of overwhelming the rat's physiology with MSG? Does it deliver any useful scientific information? If so, please tell me what it is. As I said many times before, scientists do this to alarm the public, especially the mindless masses, so that they can continue to attract the money necessary to study the scary issue further.
You appear to want us to believe that consuming the sodium salt of one of the most common building blocks of protein is responsible for all sorts of maladies affecting the human race today. That defies all logic. The Japanese have, for a long, long time, consumed more MSG, per capita, than any other people on earth. Yet they have one of the lowest incidences of obesity on the globe and possess the longest healthy life expectancy of any country on earth. I see a big hole in your flawed logic there, Gomer.
When it comes to processed food, the optimum level for MSG, on average, is somewhere between 0.3% and 0.4% of the food by weight. MSG as a flavor enhancer is self limiting....meaning that if you add beyond the optimum amount, the taste of the food is immediately and negatively impacted. Adding more is not better. To think that this small amount of added MSG, that is simply the sodium salt of one of the most common amino acids found in nature, could be responsible for any of the effects you seem eager to blame it for is, well, retarded.
You also seem eager to ignore the fact that humans get 10 times more glutamate from natural sources than added sources. Once again, Lucy, how can the added glutamate be bad for you if the naturally occurring isn't, but accounts for 10 times more of our total consumption? Are you trying to tell us that tomatoes, shrimp, chicken and Parmesan cheese are dangerous foods? Why do the people who eat the most added MSG on earth live longer and have one of the lowest rates of obesity than anyone on earth? You have a brain, but you're not using it.
In most of the studies you cite, the researchers forced lab rats to consume as much as 30% of their total diet in MSG. Meanwhile, the average American gets only 1 gram of added MSG a day in their diet. Converting this to human terms, a person would have to eat 1800 grams of MSG a day to equal what the scientists fed the lab rats. My math may not be exact, but that means the lab rat is eating around 3,500 times more MSG than the average American every day. To a retard that might make sense, but to anyone with a brain, this is really bad craziness. JRF and I encourage you to eat 1800 grams of straight MSG a day for a week or two, and then get back to us on your physical well being. Please do it on an empty stomach. Do you live near a hospital?
Trying to scare us into believing that if toxic levels in rats are harmful, then lower intakes for us could be dangerous, too, ignores the foundation of toxicology. You might remember it from when you studied toxicology in college -- The dose makes the poison.
J Random and I probably had more training in food science in one day than you've had in your entire life. My education is in biochemistry/food science (MS) and I'm a flavor chemist by trade. But those facts will make no difference to someone devoid of critical thinking skills, or to someone who is cursed with a fixed mentality.
If you continue to believe everything you read on the internet, you'll continue to go through life believing the nonsense you've posted here.
As someone already posted, you can have the last word.
So Gomer feast on this:
Now as I have read in the study MSG induces one to eat more so then if the Japanese ate more of foods that were not comprised of the bad shit American processed food is full of then naturally they would be less likely to gain weight as opposed to people who ate a western fastfood (highly processed food) diet. BUT now that they are switching to a Western fast food diet that is full of MSG and tend to eat more they are catching up to us.
next this: "Meanwhile, the average American gets only 1 gram of added MSG a day in their diet."
Really? Cuz by what I've been reading in these studies you estimate is way low...
BTW the study referenced above sez the affect of MSG and transfats is causing Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease in a large portion of the populace which BTW two of my doctors cited the same cause but I am sure they are all part of the vast conspiracy to make your industry look bad.
Wow, a higher fat/higher caloric diet (fat contains more than twice the calories, per gram, as carbs and protein) and a sedentary lifestyle is leading to health problems among Japanese children. Who would have thunk it? The horror.
The Japanese have been eating a diet high in MSG for hundreds and hundreds of years while never suffering from obesity. They also continue to enjoy one of the longest life spans of any people. But now you want to blame MSG for higher calorie diets and a sedentary lifesyle. Idiot.
MSG consumption has increased globally in recent years, with recent estimations of the current average daily intake believed to be up to 10 g/day (16). 16. Nakanishi Y., Tsuneyama K., Fujimoto M., Salunga T. L., Nomoto K., An J. L., Takano Y., Iizuka S., Nagata M., Suzuki W., et al. 2008. Monosodium glutamate (MSG): a villain and promoter of liver inflammation and dysplasia. J. Autoimmun. 30: 42–50 [PubMed]
Yes, the current daily intake of glutamate from all sources is estimated to be around 10 grams per day. Of that amount, approximately 90% comes from naturally occurring sources while approximately 10% comes from added sources. Hence, 1 gram per day from added sources.
Trying to use Google as a substitute for an education in life science is about as effective as using Google as a replacement for critical thinking skills. You are failing in both respects. Please stop. Go find something else to occupy your time.
Nice try except the article did not say "all sources" but you keep trying there sparky.
"The Japanese have been eating a diet high in MSG for hundreds and hundreds of years while never suffering from obesity."
Yes and in those hundreds of years they have been eating an eastern diet lacking in the modern wonders Big Agra gives us in a our processed food. But now they are eating food which has MSG combined with trans fats and all the other wonderful crap they are getting fatter. Their caloric intake is increasing now is that because they all suddenly got hungrier in the last couple of decades?
Is it possible the combo of MSG and say transfats or highly refined sugars like HFC create on override on the bodies ability to recognize it has taken in enough food?
What I've read states that MSG is absorbed very quickly in the blood stream where as glutamic acid-containing proteins in foods (A.K.A. natural occurring glutamate) does not. Thus MSG spikes the level of glutamate in the bloodstream so saying it is the same as natural occurring glutamate is a misnomer at best.
So then you have MSG spiking glutamate levels in the bloodstream what does such do to the glutamate receptors responsible for taste in the human body>
Did you know there is a malady called "Excitotoxicity"? Basically its a condition where the glutamate receptors get over stimulated by high levels of:
wait for it...
wait for it...
wait for it...
Glutamate in the bloodstream.
Gee isn't that interesting?
Large amounts of Glutamate in the bloodstream all at once overload the taste receptors of the human body and can cause Excitotoxicity yet naturally occurring Glutamate in foods don't spike those levels...
interesting. Don't you think?
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