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Not even MH17 will stop Putin's goal of new Soviet Union
express.co.uk ^ | July 20, 2014 | Yuri Felshtinski

Posted on 07/19/2014 6:41:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

THE tragedy of MH17 will do nothing to stop Putin in his plans to re-establish a new Soviet Union. This was a tragic accident for him but his ambitions extend beyond Ukraine and this will not stop that.

The world now knows he is involved with separatists connected to the deaths of hundreds of innocent people. I think Putin will understand there is no going back now and he will make his move.

Ukraine is only the first stage; it is the beginning of a wider campaign to increase Russia's strength. He will move to other countries, such as Moldova and Belorussia, where there is a strong Russian population.

This will become a European war if the West does not do more to stop it. The deaths of foreign civilians make this a European war already. Europe relies on Russia for oil and gas and Great Britain relies on it for money, but that is where they have to hit. If you watch Russian TV it is extremely anti-Ukrainian, they are showing a completely different picture.

The Russian people are being fed opposing information. They are happy to see themselves as a powerful state again, but not if it becomes expensive.

Europe should cancel visas for Russians who are members of parties that supported the annexation of Crimea, for example. It should stop Russian airlines flying over Europe or Russians from visiting the UK.

It should tell the wives of powerful people that they cannot travel to London to shop any more.

This is how you get them, you have to make it personal and there are ways of doing that. Europe should hit the rouble and hit the stock market. Cut the country off from the rest of the continent, and then Russians who rely on Europe for business will question what Putin is doing.

This is not a problem anybody wants to deal with, but the murder of the passengers on that plane means everyone has to. It is not economic any more, it is a political power struggle. If Europe does not demonstrate to Putin now that it is taking it seriously then the problem will escalate and we will have the costs of war to worry about, not just the economy.

Putin will not stop until others stop him.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: bhorussia; coldwar2; mh17
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To: marktwain

through should be threw


21 posted on 07/19/2014 8:12:43 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
This **** again?

Putin doesn't want the USSR back. He knows Communism doesn't work. Putin isn't a neo-Soviet. Putin is a neo-Tsarist
22 posted on 07/19/2014 8:18:23 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: JRandomFreeper

Russia has been holding joint war games with the ChiComs every other year, now every year, since 2005. They support Marxist dictatorships throughout Latin America. They stand behind communist North Korea. If they supposedly are through with communism, why do they support these communist regimes?


23 posted on 07/19/2014 8:19:51 PM PDT by ETL 2
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To: GeronL
Venezuela did that. Venezuela is a model of (in)efficiency. Could take 3 weeks or months to unload a cargo ship. Seriously it is that bad.

I work in a department store and I've had customers from Venezuela as well as a co worker who is from there. I mentioned that "Hugo Chavez was a real jag-off (a Pittsburgh word for jerk, idiot) and he ruined that country and economy and they agreed with me. One even said the guy who replaced him is worse.
24 posted on 07/19/2014 8:21:37 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: marktwain
I do not see that it would matter much if Putin through some pro-Russian separatists to the wolves.

The "pro-Russian separatists" may well be Russian army plants there to make it appear as if it's an internal matter.

25 posted on 07/19/2014 8:26:13 PM PDT by ETL 2
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He’s using the same strategy as Hitler, the use of Russian enclaves as an excuse for conquest. He’s opposed by the same sort of “Give him what he wants and maybe he will be satisfied” leadership. However, he has the ruthlessness of Stalin. This will not be pretty.


26 posted on 07/19/2014 8:26:25 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: caveat emptor

Putin’s regime will never be a restoration of the Russian Empire, because that would mean restoring the Romanov dynasty and returning their property. Putin is not about to do that anymore than Hitler put the Kaiser back on the throne of Germany. Putin can’t even condemn the murderers of the Romanov Family because that would mean he would have to condemn the whole Soviet Union and Lenin himself. He would have to condemn his own loyal service to the evil Soviet tyranny which destroyed the Russian empire in the first place. He’ll never do that. Putin cannot be a Tsar because he has no noble blood. He’s a peasant. His grandfather was Lenin’s cook.


27 posted on 07/19/2014 8:27:20 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: caveat emptor

You just gave Alaska to Putin.


28 posted on 07/19/2014 8:27:50 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: DesScorp
Please see my previous post. Putin is not a tsarist of any kind, neo or otherwise. He is an unrepentant Chekist. His father was in the NKVD and his grandfather was Lenin's cook. He will never restore the Russian Empire and he will never repudiate the EVIL EMPIRE he loyally served. Fantasies about the restoration of the Russian Empire are really just foolish uninformed nonsense. Putin fans have the most ridiculous delusions.
29 posted on 07/19/2014 8:32:18 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Nowhere Man

Seriously Christmas cookies hit their shelves in April or something. Cargo ships just sit there, waiting and waiting. Which costs $$$ and I wonder if they lose more sitting idle than they got from the cargo. Or maybe more than the cargo is worth.

The government of Venezuela owes billions to airlines, hospitals and importers that the government does not have the ability to pay.


30 posted on 07/19/2014 8:34:27 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: ETL 2

Did Communism Fake Its Own Death in 1991?
American Thinker ^ | January 16, 2010 | Jason McNew

In a [] 1984 book [New Lies for Old], ex-KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn predicted the liberalization of the Soviet Bloc and claimed that it would be a strategic deception. ...”

“Golitsyn’s argument was that beginning in about 1960, the Soviet Union embarked on a strategy of massive long-range strategic deception which would span several decades and result in the destruction of Western capitalism and the erection of a communist world government.”

“Golitsyn published his second book, The Perestroika Deception, after the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991. This book contained further analysis of the liberalization, in addition to previously classified memoranda submitted by Golitsyn to the CIA. The two books must be read together to get a complete picture of Golitsyn’s thesis.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/did_communism_fake_its_own_dea.html


31 posted on 07/19/2014 8:35:49 PM PDT by ETL 2
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To: ETL 2
A Putin kind of communism - July 2, 2014 - Russian President Vladimir Putin has awarded the Order of Alexander Nevsky to the head of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Gennady Zyuganov.

According to RIA Novosti, Zyuganov's award is for "achievements [in] labor progress, significant contributions to socio-economic development of the Russian Federation, [and] the implementation of the foreign policy of the Russian Federation."

Zyuganov, who has led the Russian Communist Party since 1993, has expressed support for the revival of the Soviet Union, changing the names of the Russian cities of Volgograd and St. Petersburg back to their Soviet-era names of Stalingrad and Leningrad, and is on record as declaring that the USSR was the "most humane state in human history."

The award was made public on Zyuganov's 70th birthday. In a meeting with Zyuganov, Putin gave also gave him a statuette of a popular Soviet-era hero Vasily Chapaev, according to the report.

Chapaev was a Bolshevik officer during the Russian Civil War, which pitted the Soviet Red Army against the White Army attempting to overthrow Lenin's Communist state. Killed in action, Chapaev was known for his devotion to duty and his Soviet fervor. During the Soviet era, a book was written about him, a film depicted his exploits, and a class of cruisers was named after him.

On Zyuganov's 65th birthday, Putin had given Zyuganov a copy of the Soviet edition of the Communist Manifesto.

Obviously the Russian Communist leader and the President of the Russian Federation have a common appreciation for things Marxist and Bolshevik.


32 posted on 07/19/2014 8:44:57 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Putin can’t even condemn the murderers of the Romanov Family because that would mean he would have to condemn the whole Soviet Union and Lenin himself.”

April 25, 2005...

Russia’s Putin: Soviet Collapse a Tragedy
By ALEX NICHOLSON
Associated Press Writer

MOSCOW (AP) - President Vladimir Putin lamented the demise of the Soviet Union in some of his strongest language to date, saying in a nationally televised speech before parliament Monday that it was “the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.”

In his annual address to lawmakers, top government officials and political leaders, Putin also sought to reassure skittish investors about Russia’s investment climate - just two days before a ruling in the tax evasion and fraud trial of oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

His statements on the collapse of the Soviet Union and its effects on Russians, at home and abroad, come as the country is awash in nostalgia just two weeks before the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II in Europe - a conflict Russians call the “Great Patriotic War.”

Putin, who served as a colonel in the KGB, has resurrected some communist symbols during his presidency, bringing back the music of the old Soviet anthem and the Soviet-style red banner as the military’s flag.

In the 50-minute address at the Kremlin, Putin avoided mentioning the need to work more closely with other former Soviet republics - in contrast to previous addresses ...”

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-42328.html


33 posted on 07/19/2014 8:45:32 PM PDT by ETL 2
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Putin said Stalin deserves statues in his honor as much as the late British lord protector, a ‘cunning fellow’ who “played a very ambiguous role in Britain’s history.”
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20131219/185734707/Putin-Says-Stalin-No-Worse-Than-Cunning-Oliver-Cromwell.html


34 posted on 07/19/2014 8:45:48 PM PDT by ETL 2
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To: JRandomFreeper
All he has to do is fire everyone competent. We won the Cold War. The Soviet Union failed.
Sounds like someone misses the Cold War.
/johnny

=========================================================

Putin misses it.
It gave him a chance to be the THUG that is his NATURE.

35 posted on 07/19/2014 8:48:46 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Texas Eagle

Good one, Guilfoyle.


36 posted on 07/19/2014 8:49:29 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: DesScorp
Putin doesn't want the USSR back. He knows Communism doesn't work. Putin isn't a neo-Soviet. Putin is a neo-Tsarist

Tsar/Czar Vladimir. Da!
Ochen harasho!

37 posted on 07/19/2014 8:52:58 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Texas Eagle

“What a coincidence. His comrade-from-another-mother, Barry Soetoro, doesn’t let loss of life like that which occurred at Ft. Hood and elsewhere stop him from fundamentally transforming The USA into The USSA.”

Yes, yes. Now that you mention it, those two do have quite a bit in common...


38 posted on 07/19/2014 9:06:47 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: DesScorp
WATCH: Putin's Secret: "Leninism Without Marxism"

Many people don't realize that the official ideology of the Soviet Union was not Marxism, but Leninism. The Bolshevik leader Lenin contradicted key parts of Marxist theory. Lenin focused on creating an all powerful state which would act as the "vanguard" of revolutionary socialism. This "dictatorship of the proletariat" would establish socialism which meant a centralized economy. Actual communism was only a promise which would come after a period of socialism. Lenin's "New Economic Program" even allowed limited capitalism with the purpose of improving the economy. The Putin regime is simply following in Lenin's footsteps, allowing limited capitalism, but only for the purposes of improving Russia's economy while maintaining a dictatorship which promotes Communism around the world.

39 posted on 07/19/2014 9:12:54 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: ETL 2
Russia has been holding joint war games with the ChiComs every other year, now every year, since 2005. They support Marxist dictatorships throughout Latin America. They stand behind communist North Korea. If they supposedly are through with communism, why do they support these communist regimes?

The United States is the biggest supporter of Communism through trade with Communist countries.
40 posted on 07/19/2014 9:46:22 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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