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Malaysian passenger plane crashes in Ukraine near Russian border: Ifax
Reuters ^ | 17 July 2014 | Alissa de Carbonne

Posted on 07/17/2014 8:24:22 AM PDT by CMB_polarization

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To: MinuteGal

That’s right....all speculation based on limited evidence. Probably will be that way for awhile yet. Meanwhile International Leaders will determine how this will be framed to the public.......they don’t want any more public demonstrations and outcrys than the host going on already.


421 posted on 07/17/2014 11:26:28 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

A chartered Russian airliner en route from Tel Aviv to the Siberian city of Novosibirsk has exploded over the Black Sea with about 77 people on board.

A civilian aircraft crashed today and it is possible that it is the result of a terrorist act

“A civilian aircraft crashed today and it is possible that it is the result of a terrorist act,” Putin told a meeting of visiting European justice ministers

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1579072.stm

4 October, 2001


422 posted on 07/17/2014 11:26:40 AM PDT by McGruff (Denial: It's Not Just a River in Egypt)
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To: caww

If Right Sector had done, you guys would be all over it.


423 posted on 07/17/2014 11:27:34 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: livius
Pretty amazing the pieces strung about.....they will determine much as they investigate these and being them together. ...though I do't think it will take long.


424 posted on 07/17/2014 11:28:58 AM PDT by caww
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To: Zhang Fei

Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Ho Chi and Kim Dung did not stand up for their people. They murdered millions of their own innocent people. This is not standing for them.

Please show me the millions Putin has murdered? I will grant you he has killed a number of muslims.


425 posted on 07/17/2014 11:29:25 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: DugwayDuke

Another thing. All this discussion of missiles switching from one target to another target after launch are BS. It is theoretically possible but very very unlikely. Missiles, even those with seekers, do not look at the whole sky. The missiles sees a very small area (think looking through a soda straw). Both aircraft would have to be in that very small area for the missile to switch targets.


426 posted on 07/17/2014 11:30:05 AM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: McGruff

Ok so Poroshenko and Putin both now saying “terrorists to blame”......as suspected they will likely continue with this explanation....true or not. Obama will as well.


427 posted on 07/17/2014 11:30:48 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

going to take a long time. The separatist have control of the crash site.


428 posted on 07/17/2014 11:31:01 AM PDT by mware
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To: Sequoyah101

This is a gif to obozo. The news will forget covering the obongo sponsored invasion of the United States.””

INdeed it is a gift and precisely what BO wanted. This is exactly why I am suspicious of the responsible party. Will we ever know the truth? What happened to the other Malaysian airliner?


429 posted on 07/17/2014 11:31:19 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: yield 2 the right

Hate to say this....but, I am leaning toward an onboard bomb. Malaysia has a large population of Muslims....a good number of them terrorists. Plus they can move fairly freely between Malaysia and the Netherlands (Holland). Am still troubled by the first Malaysian aircraft loss, and Obama effectively preventing the USA aviation authorities from getting involved in the investigation of the aircraft loss incident. Remember...the aircraft a Boeing, B777, is an American made aircraft and three passengers on the ill fated aircraft were American. Obama wanted nothing to do with it!!!

My point is, the disappeared aircraft may not have crashed in the ocean...but diverted to an abandoned airport, somewhere in the Indian Ocean. The Muslim terrorists then had an aircraft to intensely study on how destroy it with a strategically placed onboard bomb. Then..a test run on another Malaysian B777, out of Amsterdam, Holland, blowing the airplane up over the Ukraine, making it look like the Russian or Ukraine military did the horrible deed!!

You figure it out....next stop....Europe or the USA!!!


430 posted on 07/17/2014 11:31:46 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!.)
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To: caww

Everyone put on your tin foil hats.

Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 295, Interfax news agency reports citing sources.

“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity.

“The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical”, the source added.

Flight MH17 crashed in Ukraine on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpar, and was carrying 295 people.

The flight was due to enter Russian airspace when contact was lost.

http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome#.U8gVNW32r60.twitter


431 posted on 07/17/2014 11:32:00 AM PDT by McGruff (Denial: It's Not Just a River in Egypt)
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To: edpc

“The Vincennes personnel had the same IFF info.”

Reports at the time indicated the Iranian civilian airliner failed to use the transponder signals which indicated a civilian aircraft, which gave the USS Vincennes too little time to take alternative actions to defend against a hostile Iranian aircraft targeting the naval task force defended by the USS Vincennes.

In this case, Flight MH17 should have had a properly working transponder identifying it as a neutral civilian airliner, and the SAM launcher should have seen this civilian transponder code displayed on its targeting radar system. So, either the transponder and/or the targeting radar failed to function properly, or the SAM launcher attacked the aircraft despite the transponder identifying the aircraft as a neutral civilian airliner. My guess is the SAM launchers shot down the aircraft by wrongly assuming it was a Ukrainian military transport aircraft using a civilian transponder code.


432 posted on 07/17/2014 11:32:19 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: caww

433 posted on 07/17/2014 11:32:35 AM PDT by caww
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To: mware

Thanks for info on that....though pretty much understood...however are they letting in investigators which will be shortly if not already.......


434 posted on 07/17/2014 11:34:17 AM PDT by caww
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To: WhiskeyX

Concur.


435 posted on 07/17/2014 11:34:19 AM PDT by brothers4thID (Death had to take him sleeping, else he would have put up a fight.)
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To: McGruff
Yeap, that is a tin foiler.

..but really interesting.

436 posted on 07/17/2014 11:35:13 AM PDT by mware
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To: Zhang Fei
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Hirohito, Ho Chi Minh and Kim Il-Sung all stood up for their country.

What a truly awful, disgusting, and disgraceful thing to say. They did not stand up for their country. They drove their country into ruins. They murdered 10s of millions, if not 100s of millions. And this, to you, is standing up for their country? Just despicable.

We get it. You lie awake worried that the Putin monster is under your bed. But to let that lead you to trample on the memories of 100s of millions driven to their death, or living in miserable conditions, is beyond the pale.
437 posted on 07/17/2014 11:36:32 AM PDT by jjsheridan5 (Remember Mississippi -- leave the GOP plantation)
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To: CMB_polarization

White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Monday the Obama administration’s foreign policies in a number of areas have enhanced the world’s “tranquility” – a word that raised eyebrows as reporters pointed to situations in Gaza, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Ukraine and the South China Sea.

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/topic/252024-lwnj-betaverse-quote-of-the-day-barry-obamas-white-house-boasts-tranquility-of-global-community/


438 posted on 07/17/2014 11:37:09 AM PDT by OwenKellogg (Fundamental transformation leads to ... you don't want to go there, buddy.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

giggling. I hate, absolute hate, freefall, even if it is on a 40 foot drop at Silver Dollar City. Love to fly though.


439 posted on 07/17/2014 11:37:09 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: caww
Quoting from politico:

"President Barack Obama made his first comments Thursday on the Malaysia Airlines crash in Ukraine, saying the incident “looks like it may be a terrible tragedy.”

The man would look at 2 + 2 and say 'From the information given to me it's possible the answer is somewhere between 0 and 8'.

440 posted on 07/17/2014 11:37:20 AM PDT by alancarp
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