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1 posted on 05/07/2014 9:48:35 PM PDT by lowbridge
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Really, we need to get right down to brass tacks here ... How are ANY of these legislatures, in ANY state, and the Senate, and the House, REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE?


40 posted on 05/07/2014 10:54:06 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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The law of unintended circumstances says that if this happens TMU (True Mileage Unknown) cars will be worth more than clean odometer cars lol


41 posted on 05/07/2014 10:59:44 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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Why not just charge them for every breathey take too? The tecnology is there.../s


44 posted on 05/07/2014 11:06:58 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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Gee, if they boost minimum wage to $15/hr. then drivers could afford to pay $1/mile. After all, they need to pay their “fair share” because it’s for the children or whales or whatever. /s


53 posted on 05/07/2014 11:33:27 PM PDT by teacherwoes (Alethephobia-fear of hearing the truth)
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I might be OK for an increase in the gasoline tax, under one condition. You see, the highway funds, where the gasoline tax revenue goes, are regularly raided by government.

The only way I’d go along with an increase in the tax would be that part of the legislation would require and use of the revenue in the highway funds to go through an open appropriation, by appointed “officers,” to be used ONLY for highway and bridge work. And if any of the funds go missing, or is misappropriated? Then the people in charge of the the fund would find themselves facing criminal charges.

After all, that’s one of the “features” of Sarbanes/Oxley, where the CEO and other officers are CRIMINALLY liable for the misappropriation of funds (unless you’re John Corzine). If it’s good enough for business, it should be good enough for the government.

But that would be the ONLY way I’d go along with an increase in taxes.

Mark


60 posted on 05/08/2014 12:13:18 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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I drive 900 miles from Pocatello to San Diego, then park my F150 except for a few grocery runs over the next 6 months. Typically about 200 miles. I then drive 900 miles home for Christmas or my wedding anniversary in June. Out of 2000 miles "round trip" plus some local, only 800 is on California roads. I'm not paying a vehicle mileage tax for miles traveled on the roads in Nevada, Arizona, Utah and Idaho. Further, only miles actually traveled on roads maintained by the state should be even "eligible" for such taxation.
61 posted on 05/08/2014 12:16:30 AM PDT by Myrddin
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After increasing the sales tax, why do they need this new tax?

This will screw Vegas more.
Will IMO have everyone filing writing off mileage for work more.

Will this end the other gas tax? No!

We have stupid turds running this state.


63 posted on 05/08/2014 12:20:28 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Sick of the gas tax?

What about a tax on every mile you drive?

May California change places with Puerto Rico!

67 posted on 05/08/2014 1:26:45 AM PDT by cynwoody
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Enjoy the Marxism you voted for Californians! Don’t leave because of it. You voted for it now reap the consequences.


68 posted on 05/08/2014 2:15:06 AM PDT by RginTN
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As the Beatles once said:
If you drive your car I’ll tax the street.
You take a walk I’ll tax your feet
Now ,it’s if you drive too far I’ll tax your car.
How are they going to tax the Amish?


69 posted on 05/08/2014 2:50:26 AM PDT by peteyd (A dog may bite you in the ass,but it will never stab you in the back.)
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Perhaps the moron proposing the new tax would be good enough to publish the amount of gas tax being collected under the present system and where the money is being spent.


70 posted on 05/08/2014 2:53:10 AM PDT by dearolddad (/i>)
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This would be the final reason to leave California. I've been stuck here because of family and wife's work. Pass this and I'm gone. I no longer care about her father's problems. I've been trying to convince her to move to AZ or NV or even Texas for years. This would be the final nail in the coffin.

I hate California politics, but the love the area and climate we live in south Orange County. But this one will push me and millions over the edge to leave this commie state.

72 posted on 05/08/2014 3:25:05 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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If the government ever told me that I need to install a GPS in my car, I’ll tell them that they can Kiss my A$$.


73 posted on 05/08/2014 3:41:01 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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Let’s do some math:

The number of gallons of vehicle fuel consumed in California is approximately 18 billion gallons:

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinformation/pubs/hf/pl11028/chapter5.cfm

However, these are 2009 figures and let’s say that consumption now is 22 billion gallons of vehicle fuel annually

22 billion gallons x $0.529 = $11,638,000,000.00

So, right off we see that the proposal to raise $100 billion represents a nearly ten fold increase over the current revenue.

There are approximately 33.3 million registered cars, vans, trucks, motorcycles, etc in California:

http://dmv.ca.gov/about/profile/official.pdf

Consequently, the per registered vehicle fuel tax burden is approximately:

$11.638 billion/33.3 million registered vehicles = $349.49/registered vehicle

In order to eliminate the fuel tax entirely and raise the $100 billion based on a $0.05/mile driven tax requires a total mileage of:

$100 billion/$0.05/mile driven = 2,000,000,000,000 miles driven

2 trillion miles!

To put that into perspective:

2 trillion miles/33.3 million registered vehicles =

60060 miles/year/registered vehicle
($3003/year mileage tax)
5005 miles/month/registered vehicle
($250/month mileage tax)
164 miles/day/registered vehicle
($8/day mileage tax)

The proposal requires that every registered vehicle in the state be driven 164 miles each day of the year.

It is interesting to note that the legislator proposing this tax has a 200 mile/per day daily commute. He must think that every one else in California has a similar comute as well.

Note: Although I did use a spreadsheet to do these calculations, it is still pretty early here on the East Coast. When you are dealing with that many zeros, the possibility of an error exists. Frankly, given the derived magnitude of the proposed increase and its likely impact on the average driver if implemented, I hope I did make an error somewhere along the line.


77 posted on 05/08/2014 4:31:42 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow)
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TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX

It’s all they understand.


80 posted on 05/08/2014 4:54:36 AM PDT by onedoug
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In the meantime, people who don’t work, and don’t pay taxes, are excited that there will be more money extracted from the few Californians who still work.


82 posted on 05/08/2014 5:11:07 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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Agenda 21 compliant......check


85 posted on 05/08/2014 5:21:25 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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Funding roads & bridges is supposed to be accomplished through the gasoline tax. The claim is that increasing mpg lowers the fund.

There is no way I want any government tracking my miles and whereabouts. That is a non-starter.

The gas tax, a sales tax, is the way to do it. NONE of those people do miles on a highway without using fuel. The little fuel that’s based on an electric vehicle plugged into an outlet is simply a micro portion of fuel used.

The highway tax should be based on the actual highway costs from the previous year, LESS the costs of bureaucracy salaries or any non-highway expense added to the highway budget. Divide that by the number of gallons sold from the previous year, and you’ll get the amount of tax needed per gallon.

It should then be set aside exclusively for highways.

And, I’m betting that the amount of tax will go DOWN.


89 posted on 05/08/2014 5:48:59 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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That may yet be a tough sell, but a $0.05 per mile fee could raise over $100 billion for roads in some parts of the state, the San Gabriel Valley Tribune reported.

Apparently, those peasant leprechauns in California have pots o' gold just sitting around, waiting to be tapped...

91 posted on 05/08/2014 5:53:17 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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So if you drive 15,000 miles a year, you will pay 750 dollars. How would this be paid? State tax form? How do you keep people honest? It seems since they want to screw the state residence, why not just add 500 dollars on to every registration? It seems easier to administer. Of course, I am against any new fees and taxes, but if they must then at least do it in a smart way.


92 posted on 05/08/2014 5:55:36 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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