Posted on 04/17/2014 11:35:37 AM PDT by SkyPilot
U2 frontman Bono talks about his faith and answers the question "Who is Jesus?" in the video below. Click play to watch.
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Israel was divided when Solomon died, into the House of Judah, the southern kingdom, and the House of Israel, the northern kingdom. The north was out of covenant from the word go. they feared domination by Judah, so they set up a false worship without "going up" to Jerusalem for the feasts.
To whom he was sent:
Matthew 10:
[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
[6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel
No, it was after the crucifixion. Jesus was dead. By the way, do you believe Bernadette Soubirous saw the Virgin Mary in 1858? Just curious.
>> “It’s always a challenge to talk to people who can’t read the Bible for what it says.” <<
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Its a shock to see those words over your name!
Who are the people that were called by his name?
Who were the people that became “not my people?”
Who was the bride whose remarriage was declared in Romans 7?
Sigh... special pleading again.
Except it’s even more special than I’ve yet encountered. I’ve never encountered something more small visioned and idiosyncratic. It’s like an unholy hybrid between Presbyterian Calvinists and unbelieving Jews. Not quite to Westburro grade, but close.
Something’s trapped your mind but bad, E-S. Someone has trapped you in eisegesis, and put ice on Jesus. There’s nothing to be had from your kind of pursuit but pride. Awe-filled gratitude? I have plenty of it as Christ keeps pulling me clear of Satan’s attacks.
We don't know what he said. We only know what the Bible SAYS he said. The only accounts from the Bible that actually stand a chance of being verifiable are from the trial before Pilate, because that at least would have been a matter of public record, and anyone writing about it later would have been wary of lying because Roman record might have contradicted it.
What we know is, the disciples were apparently all Jewish, and what was impressed upon them enough to record (but for no apparent reason) was that he was born in Bethlehem, descended from King David, but not Solomon.
No, he was not dead!
He arose from the tomb after three days and three nights, just as he said he would.
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Evasive? I have said nothing BUT that I don't believe he was here to save souls. How could you read anything I have said and think I believe what you believe?
Are you no drugs?
I give you the word of God to support everything I post to you and you reject it in favor of man’s pagan false feasts, and say that those feasts offered to men rather than God should be pleasing to him?
He is going to spew you out of his mouth unless you repent and follow his word.
Mm-hm. The next time you read Isaiah, try this experiment. Read the whole book in one sitting. Don't parse out one or two verses, read it all together.
He’s dead, Jim.
Enjoy your strong delusion!
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“We don’t know what he said. We only know what the Bible SAYS he said. “
“And God said, ‘Let there be light.’” Did God say that? How do you know? How can you be sure of what you know?
read but no comment.
...”it was after the crucifixion. Jesus was dead”....
Wrong.
“The next time you read Isaiah, try this experiment. Read the whole book in one sitting. Don’t parse out one or two verses, read it all together. “
Yes, please do. And when you get to Isa 53:11, where it says, “He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities,” ask yourself, if Israel is the nation that God has claimed it to be in the book of Isaiah and throughout the rest of the OT scriptures (with all its waywardness, backsliding, idol-worshipping, God-forsaking),how could it possibly be called “my righteous servant”? How could a nation, so frought with sin, “justify many”? (It says in Is. 53:6 - All we [Israel] like sheep have gone astray; we [Israel] have turned every one to his [each Israelite’s] own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all [all of us Israelites]. Who is left of the nation of Israel to serve as the “him” upon whom the Lord lays the iniquity of Israel?
How could “the travail of its [the sinful nation of Israel, as established in 53:6] soul” satisfy God’s holy requirement for sin, since we are told in Ezekiel, “The soul that sinneth, it shall surely die”?
The problem with your exegesis is that you fail to “hear” the shifts in the text, whether they are shifts in time, tone, subject. This is borne out of a stubbornness of heart (my way must be correct - because, well, because that’s the way I [choose to] see it. Next time you read Isaiah in one sitting (which, first of all, indicates a mind which isn’t dwelling on/meditating on/contemplating the word of God very carefully), try examining how individual parts of the text fit/don’t fit your own exegesis of the text entire. If and when they don’t, you must either adjust your thinking, or disregard what you’ve read. You’ve chosen the latter. Do you understand what I’m after here? Do you understand my question? I ask because you haven’t chosen to respond to this yet. A satisfactory answer would, of course, include scriptural support for your position.
Aside from the problem of “the righteous servant” which you have never addressed, here are some other, simpler questions to ponder. If, as you believe, Christ is not the messiah Israel was to be waiting for, has he [messiah] appeared yet? The answer would have to be “No,” as we see no evidence of his kingdom having been established. Well, since he has not yet appeared:
If Israel is still waiting for its messiah, how will TODAY’S Jews recognize him?
Where are the 12 tribes today and which of today’s Jews even know what tribe they belong to?
How will they be able to determine that he is of the household of David?
How will they know he was born in Bethlehem?
How can Israel TODAY be thought to be God’s righteous servant when they no longer make atonement for sin in the temple? “Without shedding of blood, there is no remission [of sin]”
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