Posted on 04/14/2014 1:25:37 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
BTTT
“All you property are belong to us now.”
According to his family contracts from the 1800’s, it is NEVADA property.
....Were talking about the territory of Nevada. People of the territory of Nevada. As they they do not have the Constitution. Theyre within the territory and Congress had an unlimited power to make all the rules and regulations. Okay. The people of the territory petitioned the United States Congress to make this a state. And they have a clouded title. So in order to clear their title, they give up their public domain forever. It sounds terrible. Forever? But let me tell what you they had to do. They had to give it up forever so Congress would have a clear title. And what did Congress do? It made a state of Nevada....
....Based on the conversation on the radio show, Bundys fundamental issue isnt with an out of control government taking control of his personal land, but that he disagrees with how that land became federal land when Nevada was founded in 1864.
PFL
sokay..... the UN will likely TAKE..ownership before this is cleared up....
HOW ODD eh?
“So-called Non Government Organizations (but can we really call them such now that they are part of the government?) ..[.RE THE SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER...[ And select law enforcement officers such as the Clark County Nevada Sheriff, Doug Gillespie.
Bundy is being his own worst enemy. He is grazing his cattle on United States Property, but the grazing and land managment laws are actually on his side and the BLM is improperly jacking up his fees and restricting his herds using the Desert Tortoise as a weapon against him.
He needs to get a lawyer and quit making dumb statements on television.
Why should this producer pay anything to the feds after we paid the feds hundreds of billion to protect our sovereignty and borders, all while they aided and abetted tens of millions from Mexico to trespass on our lands?
Then the feds turn around and force us all to pay literally hundreds of billions more ANNUALLY to support them, feed them, house them, educate and hospitalize them?
Why are we paying hundreds of billions in taxes and fees annually for millions of illegal trespassers?
Why are we paying hundreds of billions in taxes and fees annually for millions of illegal trespassers?
Why are we paying hundreds of billions in taxes and fees annually for millions of illegal trespassers?
And if you want to drive someone off, you don’t have to do it forcefully. You simply make it too expensive for them and drive them out of business.
I get the impression that is what happened. Only the last remaining rancher refused to be knocked down without fighting.
Bundy is in the right (generally) but has wacko legal theories given the current legal structure.
Now that the Law comes from the mouth of Bammy (unilateral 0bamaCare legal changes) and H0lder (WAY selective enforcement) and Reid (former aide Neil Kornze now Director of the BLM), why shouldn't hte Law come out of the mouth of Cliven Bundy?
Or any other American?
At ease. Do as you will.
Old Stinkface Harry is determined to get his way.
Agreed. But I heard today that the statue of limitations has ended.
It does not.
He should probably quit with the strange legal theories and stick to the facts of the case: he was using federal land and abiding by the rules until the federal government changed the rules on him.
This posse comitatus kind of rhetoric is really unsound.
A better question is: why is the federal government continuing to hold onto so much land after more than 150 years? Why is it not sold at a market price to people like Mr. Bundy who are making good use of it?
My guess is that he can’t get a lawyer because no competent lawyer would make those absurd arguments in federal court. The lawyer would probably have Rule 11 sanctions imposed for making an argument with no basis in fact or law. It’s not up to Cliven Bundy to interpret the Constitution as he sees fit - otherwise, don’t complain when a liberal judge does so.
Who else wants to run cattle in the desert there?
It's not up to Bammy to interpret the Constitution as he sees fit, but that doesn't seem to stop him.
Why should C liven be treated differently?
“After the 1934 act they continued to pay grazing fees and make improvements up until the 1990’s.
Somewhere along the way the Bureau of Land Management was created. I don’t know what year.
Around 1990 or so they told him that he could no longer graze more than 150 of his 600 or so head of cattle there.
He told them to pound sand and kept paying his fees and grazing his cattle.
Around 1994 they told him he could only graze them in the summer, fall and winter and said it was so that the cattle didn’t disturb the Desert Tortoise. (more on that later)
He told them that they were HIRED by the Taylor Grazing act to MANAGE the land for the ranchers. So he FIRED them and started paying his fees to to the state of Nevada. Soon they didn’t know where to put it so they quit taking payments.
Meanwhile they came at him from another angle. When they saw they weren’t going to be able to force him off the land the BLM SOLD the rights to the land to the state of Nevada under the condition that the state RETIRE the grazing rights permanently. Nevada legislators, being idiots, did their bidding. That was around 1996 or so.
But the state left him alone and let him forage all those years.
A few years ago, due to Agenda 21, Ranchers around the nation were being shut down and either bought out (with a program that paid them a lump sum of YOUR taxpayer funds in exchange for quitting ranching.
A lot of them did. The program was touted as “optional” but they intimidated the ranchers with lawsuits ranging from environmental concerns to water concerns to endangered species.
Before all this there were 50 ranchers in Clark County Nevada. Now there is one. Cliven Bundy.”
Another good question is:
Why does the BLM get to make the Law and then have Rustler Reid's minion Director Neil Kornze enforce it?
Where is this statue?
Is it made of stone or bronze?
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