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How Hobby Lobby Will Hurt Conservatives (Barf Alert!)
Townhall.com ^ | March 27, 2014 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 03/27/2014 7:06:51 AM PDT by Kaslin

Lawyers for Hobby Lobby this week urged the Supreme Court to let companies opt out of certain health insurance rules for religious reasons, and they have a good chance of success. If employers are allowed to refuse to provide coverage that pays for certain types of contraception, it will be a big victory for religious conservatives. Or will it?

After all, they have found before that getting your way does not always mean advancing your cause. Sometimes winning is a recipe for defeat.

That was the surprising case with same-sex marriage. Not long ago, public opinion was strongly opposed to it. Going into Election Day 2012, same-sex marriage had been put before the voters in statewide referendums 32 times, and 32 times it had lost.

Besides upholding "traditional marriage," these measures helped elect Republicans. Former Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman said that in 2004 and 2006, White House strategist Karl Rove worked to get same-sex marriage on the ballot to spur social conservatives to get to the polls.

But in 2012, the balance shifted. Gay marriage was approved by voters in all four states considering the issue. Since then, opponents have lost a Supreme Court decision, and 17 states now permit gays and lesbians to marry. A Gallup poll last year found that 54 percent of Americans support the idea -- up from 27 percent in 1996.

Much of the opposition comes from Christians who see it as an affront to God's law and an assault on the foundation of society. When a ban appeared on the California ballot in 2008, the Catholic Church, evangelical groups and the Mormon Church joined in campaigning for it. A Catholic bishop explained the alliance as one of believers who understand same-sex marriage to be "an attack of the Evil One."

But most people who support same-sex marriage don't think they are under the influence of Satan. Statements like that had two effects: 1) discrediting opponents by making it appear they had no basis except their interpretation of the word of God, and 2) driving supporters of same-sex marriage away from churches and faith itself.

The rise of support for gay matrimony has mirrored the decline of conservative Christianity. In his book "The Great Evangelical Recession," evangelical pastor John S. Dickerson concludes that the number of people attending his type of church is falling. And he acknowledges one big reason: "The most common belief about Bible-believing Christians today is that we are homophobic, anti-gay bigots."

That's one reason so many people have decided religion is not for them. The Pew Research Center reported in 2012 that the percentage of American adults with no religious affiliation has reached nearly 20 percent, with nearly a third of those calling themselves atheists or agnostics. Among those under 30, the numbers are even higher.

Those statistics are bad news for Republicans and conservative causes in general, since 63 percent of the "nones" lean Democratic, with only 26 percent preferring the GOP. Those on the religious right find that their vocal rejection of same-sex marriage, once an asset, has become an albatross.

If religious opposition to same-sex marriage isn't enough to turn off voters, religious opposition to contraception should be. The Hobby Lobby case promises to spread the news that many conservative Christians and Republicans take a dim view of birth control.

Mike Huckabee, who may run for president in 2016, recently said that Democrats favor mandated contraceptive coverage to make women believe "they cannot control their libido or their reproductive system without the help of the government." Rick Santorum, who ran in 2012, said then that contraception is "not OK, because it's a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be." The Catholic Church opposes all contraception.

If Hobby Lobby wins in the Supreme Court, conservatives will stand with business owners who regard contraception as forbidden by their faith and exclude it from the health insurance they provide employees. As that policy is embraced by other religious capitalists, it will convey to everyone that if you use birth control, you're at odds with Christianity and the Republican Party.

The Guttmacher Institute reports that more than 99 percent of women aged 15-44 who have ever had sex have used at least one type of contraception. Conservatives probably can't antagonize this entire group, but you have to give them credit for trying.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aca; hobbylobby; proaborts; scotus
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To: rockrr; P-Marlowe
for gay matrimony

This is an impossibility...gay matrimony. The "matri" part of matrimony means "mother". It's the institution that exists to provide for mothering...and impossibility for homosexuals. The word "marriage" can be used by homosexuals, but matrimony is not possible. This author is lacking in his thoughtfulness.

I don't expect Hobbly Lobby to win....just a gut feeling I have says that Anthony Kennedy, being pro-gay, is also pro-abortion.

That said, Hobby Lobby's best recourse is not to provide any coverage for their employees. They will be fined 2000 for each full time employee. That's less than what they are those employees' medical care package costs.

They then need to find a way to return to their employees a non-taxable portion of what used to be spent on health care. Medical savings accounts would be good, but I don't know if they're still in existence with ObamaCare.

21 posted on 03/27/2014 8:01:20 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Kaslin

Who wrote this, Bob Beckel?


22 posted on 03/27/2014 8:01:28 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Sooth2222

Sooth2222: “Should your employer be required to pay for your vitamins and running shoes, too? How about your meals?”

If one is logically consistent, yes. Under Obamacare, the government could just as easily mandate that health insurance cover exercise equipment and healthy food.

The ACA gives government virtually unlimited power to decide what is or is not health care. Even worse, the SCOTUS has ruled the fines are actually income taxes. Meaning? The government could fine someone up to 100% of income for failure to comply with the ACA mandates, because there is, of course, no constitutional limit on income tax.


23 posted on 03/27/2014 8:05:19 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional "rights" cherished by Democrats.)
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To: Kaslin

Mr. Chapman can keep his vagina out of my wallet and we will both be happy.


24 posted on 03/27/2014 8:27:44 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Kaslin; All
Steve Chapman says if Christians would just embrace gay marriage and abortion rights, our churches would be bigger and Republicans would win more elections!

Gee, I wonder why nobody has ever thought of this before........

25 posted on 03/27/2014 8:31:31 AM PDT by TitansAFC (2016: 1. Palin, 2. Cruz, 3. Perry, 4. Walker, 5. Huckabee (to make the GOP-E see what WE go through))
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To: Izzy Dunne

Steve Chapman, the author, is trying to frame the issue as something it’s not. There’s a word for that. He’s lying!

Hobby Lobby, for example, is NOT opposed to contraception or even opposed to paying for it as part of their employee insurance. They are only religiously opposed to abortion, including drugs used to induce it.


26 posted on 03/27/2014 8:32:11 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional "rights" cherished by Democrats.)
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To: CitizenUSA

BTTT


27 posted on 03/27/2014 8:35:56 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: TitansAFC

Steve Chapman is wrong and I would rather our party would not win more elections under these circumstances


28 posted on 03/27/2014 8:39:26 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Cheerio

If Steve Chapman knew even half as much about Christianity as he apparently claims, he’d know Satan is a liar. He’d also know there’s a prophecy about how people will say evil is good and good is evil in the end times. In other words, people will be deceived!

As far as deception goes, I think I’m safer believing the same things as Christians over the last two thousand years. That’s probably a better idea than falling for the belief (in some churches) that it’s OK for two homosexuals to sodomize each other so long as they’re “married.”


29 posted on 03/27/2014 8:41:33 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional "rights" cherished by Democrats.)
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To: Kaslin
Once again, the GOP is trying to blame its failure on the its base.

How long will we be Charlie Brown to the GOPe’s Lucy? You can only run at the football so many times till you figure out you will never get to actually kick it.

They don't want us. Let them go.

30 posted on 03/27/2014 8:42:18 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Kaslin

Substitute “abortifacients” for “contraception” in this article, and it makes utterly no sense.


31 posted on 03/27/2014 8:46:31 AM PDT by montag813
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To: xzins
That said, Hobby Lobby's best recourse is not to provide any coverage for their employees. They will be fined 2000 for each full time employee. That's less than what they are those employees' medical care package costs.

The problem is that the employees who might also object to having to purchase insurance from a company that pays for abortifacients will so be fined if they don't purchase the insurance from an exchange.

This law is evil. There is no getting around that fact.

32 posted on 03/27/2014 8:46:36 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe

Good point. I agree that it’s just passing the buck.

But then it’s an individual complaining about their religious rights instead of a corporation.

They can then argue that conscientious exemptions are given for many other issues involving religious faith


33 posted on 03/27/2014 9:03:33 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Kaslin

Marriage is between a man and a woman. God said it, that settles it.


34 posted on 03/27/2014 9:13:52 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 13: 33)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Apparently the best results are obtained by scattering blood and chicken feathers. :’) Thanks Kaslin.


35 posted on 03/27/2014 9:38:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: Flycatcher
Amen to your comments regarding the lying going on now even in the so-called "conservative media."

Either the author of this article really doesn't understand the difference between something that prevents pregnancy by using hormones or pills that are taken after sex to eliminate the impregnated egg from progressing to a full term baby; or lying to confuse the "low information crowd" (or could it actually be that this author and other "anti-life liberal media ARE actually members of the low information crowd!!!!")

36 posted on 03/27/2014 10:17:48 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Kaslin

The argument against gay marriage needs to move away from the religious perspective as is too easy for the left to attack. The left is trying to define the argument as discriminating against people trying to celebrate their love and commitment.

Marriage as a social institution has evolved across all cultures as a means of managing reproduction and stabilizing the family unit for the raising of children. The survival of the species is it’s primary function and the reason Marriage exists. Homosexuals unions are not reproductive therefore homosexuals do not qualify for marriage.

“That” is the correct way to argue with the left on the issue of marriage. Gays are not being discriminated against; they are instead trying to game the tax system to gain deductions designed to compensate reproductive couple for past, present or future expenses incurred raising children.


37 posted on 03/27/2014 10:31:10 AM PDT by thejokker
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To: Kaslin

How many of the stores are owned by the main corp? Can they decide to close those & just keep collecting from the franchisee’s???


38 posted on 03/27/2014 10:56:21 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Izzy Dunne
I SUPPORT their freedom to do whatever THEY like with THEIR business.

That particular ship sailed a looonnngg time ago. Very extensive regulations are in place that require businesses to do many things they would probably rather not do.

IOW, one simply cannot make a principled argument against this particular policy on this basis. One can attempt to make a principled argument that it is wrong or unwise to add this particular item to the lengthy list of impositions on business. But then you have to explain why it's acceptable to require businesses to do A thru Q, but adding R is a step too far.

39 posted on 03/27/2014 11:17:46 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: I cannot think of a name
Pardon me, but I don’t remember any election on this point? A well organized group of perverts terrorized weak-kneed companies and politicians into caving, but that hardly represents a ‘rise.’

From the article: "But in 2012, the balance shifted. Gay marriage was approved by voters in all four states considering the issue. Since then, opponents have lost a Supreme Court decision, and 17 states now permit gays and lesbians to marry. A Gallup poll last year found that 54 percent of Americans support the idea -- up from 27 percent in 1996."

Conservatives will never win by refusing to accept when they are losing. And we are losing on this issue big-time. From a small minority position <20 years ago to a considerable and rapidly increasing majority today.

When you are losing you need to either accept defeat gracefully and adapt to the new reality, or figure out how to reverse the trend of public opinion.

But refusing to accept reality certainly won't accomplish anything but to maximize the bad consequences of defeat.

40 posted on 03/27/2014 11:37:39 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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