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Chicago Tribune calls for a delay in implementating #obamacare.
Redstate ^ | August 19th, 2013 | Moe Lane

Posted on 08/20/2013 6:26:42 AM PDT by xzins

The Chicago Tribune has finally reverted away from home-town boosterism of the President and is now telling him to, essentially, admit that his signature ‘achievement’ is toast:

"[President Barack Obama] crusaded for [obamacare] and has embraced its nickname. But he did not write the law. Congress did. Major changes are necessary — he has stipulated by his actions that this law as constituted cannot work — and Congress should legislate them for his review."

"Bottom line: Let’s delay and rewrite this ill-conceived law. Congress need not start from scratch. Lawmakers can build on what all of us have learned from three years of painful trial and error. Three years of attempting, but failing, to make this clumsy monstrosity work for the American people."

By all means, let us have a, ah, temporary delay in implementation – which is Beltway-speak (sorry about that) for ‘let us kill this monstrosity, throw it into an unmarked grave in federally-protected wetlands, pour lye into the hole, cover it up, go home, and never speak of this ever again.’

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 2014election; 2016election; abortion; chicago; chicagotribune; deathpanels; election2014; election2016; illinois; obamacare; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; zerocare
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obamacare is not about healthcare. It’s about insurance. So was hillarycare. hillarycare promoted “available” healthcare. Everyone knew it was “available” but lots of people couldn’t afford it. So they figured out to call it “affordable” and people jumped on the bandwagon.


51 posted on 08/20/2013 10:20:18 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: SZonian; xzins
RE :”No, it’s not “compassion”, it only looks like it on the surface. They overbill me and mine and others to recoup the expense of the “charitable” treatment...just like all the rest of the folks who get emergency treatment at little to no costs.”

Thanks, a few here think making the hospital work for ‘free’ is a great system.
Even when it forces them into bankruptcy I guess.

They dont realize that these mandates are not free just because they dont get a tax bill for it specifically.

52 posted on 08/20/2013 10:21:21 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: xzins; Cringing Negativism Network; P-Marlowe; Jim Robinson
RE :”If it was broke, then someone forgot to tell those who had hearts restored, cancer cured, limbs re-attached, and lives extended.”

Here ya go, a witness that plundering hospitals with mandates to provide free service is not really free as you seem to think it is, and is not ‘working’ even if you insist it is. #28

Believe it or not, you do really pay for it, hospital mandates are not Santa Claus.

53 posted on 08/20/2013 10:27:35 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

You see the nutbag on this thread who keeps pinging ME replying to comments I never made? He did it twice so far.

Hard to tell if its on purpose or if its the voices in his head.


54 posted on 08/20/2013 10:34:51 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

I’d be happy just to repeal obamacare. I don’t feel a great need to come up with something else to replace it.


55 posted on 08/20/2013 10:35:04 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
RE :”I’d be happy just to repeal obamacare. I don’t feel a great need to come up with something else to replace it”

I'd be happy if a rich relative left me a million $$$ or so, but that's not happening either.
So I have to make other less pleasant arrangements, like working.

So back to the planet earth.

Plundering hospitals is not free, even if your favorite AM radio host tells you it is.

Now instead of that under O-care the mandate gets moved onto the health insurers w pre-existing conditions, still not free. Other cases medicaid.

56 posted on 08/20/2013 10:42:42 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

It must be “voices”


57 posted on 08/20/2013 10:45:59 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: sickoflibs

I’m just not into getting rid of the best medical system in the history of the world, whether a GOP plan or an Obama plan.

They both are totally untrustworthy.

So, I’ll continue to work for the repeal of Obamacare. Notice above that the article is about the Chicago Tribune calling for its delay.

Delaying it would be a step in the right direction.


58 posted on 08/20/2013 10:47:12 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Mr. K

As you can see from the list below, the federal government agencies below listed just for the alphabet letter A are approximately 33. I was going to come up with a total but there are just too many. Indeed, there must be hundreds, if not thousands of them! Bear in mind that 100 years ago almost none of these agencies existed. Give me and two or three freepers one week in a conference room and we could pretty fairly and justly and accurately cut this list down to half, if not one quarter.

So, your right! It is insane to suggest that “The Government” do anything! They don’t do courts well, they don’t do police well, they don’t do the military well. They do create debt well. Liberals LOVE government! They now control it. That is why we are where we are.

The one thing the government, with all of it’s legions of affirmative actors, should do is stay completely away from the health industry forever. Collectively, they don’t have the IQ or worldly experience to empty the trashcans. Let the market dictate as it surely would if left alone! If some regulation is needed, create a panel of doctors, lay person’s and yes, a few lawyers to do so. All of them to be unpaid and with 2 year terms.

A-Z Index of U.S. Government Departments and Agencies

A
•AbilityOne Commission
•Access Board
•Administration for Children and Families (ACF)
•Administration for Native Americans
•Administration on Aging (AoA)
•Administration on Developmental Disabilities
•Administrative Conference of the United States
•Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts
•Advisory Council on Historic Preservation
•African Development Foundation
•Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ)
•Agency for International Development (USAID)
•Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry
•Agricultural Marketing Service
•Agricultural Research Service
•Agriculture Department
•Air Force
•Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau
•Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives Bureau
•American Battle Monuments Commission
•AmeriCorps
•Amtrak
•Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service
•Antitrust Division
•Appalachian Regional Commission
•Architect of the Capitol
•Archives (National Archives and Records Administration)
•Arctic Research Commission
•Armed Forces Retirement Home
•Arms Control and International Security
•Army
•Army Corps of Engineers
•Arthritis and Musculoskeletal Interagency Coordinating Committee

A
B
C
D
E
F
G
H
I
J
K
L
M
N
O
P
Q
R
S
T
U
V
W
X-Z


59 posted on 08/20/2013 10:53:16 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: xzins
RE :”I’m just not into getting rid of the best medical system in the history of the world, whether a GOP plan or an Obama plan.

That ‘best medical system in the history of the world’ is now past history as Obama-care is now 4 years old although not fully implemented as you know, but its coming. Once all those people get medicaid you can kiss your Dr goodbye

That might have been a great debate for last year when Obama was running on ‘re-elect me because I got Obama-care passed’ but I guess it didnt work because he's still here meaning we are stuck.

Did Ryan+Romney run on 'our current system works great'?? I cant recall.

60 posted on 08/20/2013 10:56:28 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

No, Romney ran on RomneyCare being great and not like ObamaCare.

I’ve not given up hope yet.


61 posted on 08/20/2013 11:06:18 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

The problem is that the best system in the world was created by borrowing money from China and then printing more of it.

The people are clearly unwilling to support a level of taxation adequate to fund our system. All false accounting aside, the actual $$ cost at the point if service is far beyond what most can or will pay.


62 posted on 08/20/2013 11:09:56 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jim Noble

What’s relevant to me is that ObamaCare is far worse, and that I’m not trusting Mitch McConnell & John Boehner to come up with an alternative plan.

Let’s just push the default button and go back to the original program.


63 posted on 08/20/2013 11:15:00 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Let’s just push the default button and go back to the original program

Look, don't get me wrong. Obamacare is destroying what I've worked 40 years to build and I'm very unhappy about it.

The problem is that post-1965 expenditures are not subject to either personal/family OR governmental budgeting processes. Covering the expenses of all persons in a class without limit cannot lead to anything other than ruin, and that's what we have, or had before PPACA.

PPACA makes everything worse (which, I believe, is its purpose), but going back to "what we had before" (no limit on spending, low levels of taxation, and unlimited money printing and debt to cover it) is not going to work for very long.

Here's something I wrote last week about our system:

Starting in 1965, we (I started medical school in 1972) have built a gigantic edifice of modern medical care, certainly the best in the world by far - using OPM - other people’s money - (people other than the patients or their families).

Look at the video depiction of the hospital where Vito Corleone was taken after being shot in the Godfather - that level of sophistication is what a true free market is willing to pay for. By “true free market”, what I mean is what willing patients and their families will pay out of pocket at the point of service.

Everything else - MRIs, CT scans, joint replacements, implantable pacemaker/defibrillators, mobile ICUs, heart surgery involving bypass, modern (safe) anesthesia, GI endoscopy, laparoscopic surgery, cures for lymphoma and certain leukemias - all of that would require tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars out of pocket at the time of illness, and most people could not or would not do that.

Enter Medicare and Medicaid. They pay, using OPM, for ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING that we, our medical device manufacturers, and translational research can think of (and they pay for the research, too). Yes, there is excess, and yes, given the general competence of government workers, there is fraud, too.

But most of this cost is fixed and most of it is beneficial. Imagine you live in rural NH, and you wake up at 1am on a snowy night in February with chest pain. You dial 911. Within 15 minutes, there is a mobile coronary care unit in your driveway. Within 20 minutes, your EKG is sent via either a cell tower or satellite to a heart center 60 miles away. The PA in the truck has orders within a half hour to administer a cloned protein that costs $10 000 via an IV. It doesn’t work, so you roll to your local hospital helipad, where a chopper picks you up. You are at the heart center by 3am. The entire cardiac cath team meets you and goes to work. By 3:45am, they see that angioplasty is not an option, so you go down the hall to the OR, where the surgical team is waiting for you. Using a small incision and microsurgical equipment invented here in the last five years, they bypass your 95% lesion, and your heart is free of damage as you watch the sun rise.

Now, the cost of all this stuff on standby, just waiting for you or your neighbor, replicated as it is all over the country, is in the trillions. The simple overhead dwarfs the cost of the actual treatments. And all of it - every single bit of it - exists because of Congress’ promise to print or borrow enough money to pay for it, since they know people can’t pay for it themselves and are not willing to pay taxes at a level sufficient to nationalize it.

That’s what Obamacare is all about - it’s a way for Congress to escape from the cost monster that they themselves created before everything comes crashing down. And they have very cleverly offloaded the responsibility for who gets what to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, which will shortly be offloading it to hospitals and doctors.

64 posted on 08/20/2013 12:40:37 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Exactly. Let insurance companies sell any product they want, that fits the needs of the individual consumer no matter what state they live in.


65 posted on 08/20/2013 12:50:49 PM PDT by matt04
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To: xzins
RE :”I’ve not given up hope yet.”

I have found that expecting the worst is the best predictor on average.

I assume at this point that

1) Christie will get the nomination’
2) Hillary will beat him
3) She will replace O-care with single payer, and Justice Kennedy with Elizabeth Warren or someone similar, maybe Melissia Harris Perry. Then the government takes over the internet.

But ya never know.

66 posted on 08/20/2013 12:58:52 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs
You forgot two things.

Getting the guns. Or at least restricting to the point of uselessness for the common person.

2. Seizing your 401K

67 posted on 08/20/2013 1:10:18 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: riri
RE :”You forgot two things”

Once Dems get full control of the US government as they got Maryland and CA and like those states have no worries about losing elections in future the list will be endless.

They will be Kings.

Then it will be time to be a talk radio host $$$$

68 posted on 08/20/2013 1:31:39 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Healthcare is not in the constitution therefore you need to be able to buy it without my money.


69 posted on 08/20/2013 1:32:44 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: John W

Exactly.


70 posted on 08/20/2013 1:33:53 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: dfwgator

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!


71 posted on 08/20/2013 1:34:05 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: xzins
et’s delay and rewrite this ill-conceived law. Congress need not start from scratch. Lawmakers can build on what all of us have learned from three years of painful trial and error. Three years of attempting, but failing, to make this clumsy monstrosity work for the American people."

If they couldnt get this right in the past 3 years, they're not going to get it right in the next 300 years. They've been tinkering with the universal health care system over in Britain for decades now and it still gets worse.

72 posted on 08/20/2013 1:35:16 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Jim Noble

I have long believed that medical costs have skyrocketed because of a huge pot of money called insurance....whether private or government. Since it’s there it gets spent.

That is not to say that the wonderful research and amazing technologies and treatments that have taken place aren’t expensive. I just don’t think it’s as expensive as the increases have indicated. I think a lot of that pile of money goes down a waste/fraud/abuse rathole.

That said, in an ideal world, I’d have the old system with some kind of market-based, competitive controls.

However, if given a choice between ObamaCare, McConnell/Boehner Care, or the old system, I’d take the old system.


73 posted on 08/20/2013 2:05:59 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks xzins.
The Chicago Tribune has finally reverted away from home-town boosterism of the President and is now telling him to, essentially, admit that [Zerocare] is toast: "...But he did not write the law. Congress did. Major changes are necessary -- he has stipulated by his actions that this law as constituted cannot work == and Congress should legislate them for his review... Lawmakers can build on what all of us have learned from three years of painful trial and error. Three years of attempting, but failing, to make this clumsy monstrosity work for the American people."
IOW, not his fault! Partisan Media Shills ping / ridiculous agitprop ping / sure Communism has always resulted in mass murders before but if we'd just tinker a little ping...


74 posted on 08/20/2013 6:57:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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