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Why can’t we talk about IQ?
Politico ^ | August 9, 2013 | Jason Richwine

Posted on 08/09/2013 3:06:33 PM PDT by reaganaut1

“IQ is a metric of such dubiousness that almost no serious educational researcher uses it anymore,” the Guardian’s Ana Marie Cox wrote back in May. It was a breathtakingly ignorant statement. Psychologist Jelte Wicherts noted in response that a search for “IQ test” in Google’s academic database yielded more than 10,000 hits — just for the year 2013.

But Cox’s assertion is all too common. There is a large discrepancy between what educated laypeople believe about cognitive science and what experts actually know. Journalists are steeped in the lay wisdom, so they are repeatedly surprised when someone forthrightly discusses the real science of mental ability.

If that science happens to deal with group differences in average IQ, the journalists’ surprise turns into shock and disdain. Experts who speak publicly about IQ differences end up portrayed as weird contrarians at best, and peddlers of racist pseudoscience at worst.

I’m speaking from experience. My Harvard Ph.D. dissertation contains some scientifically unremarkable statements about ethnic differences in average IQ, including the IQ difference between Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites. For four years, the dissertation did what almost every other dissertation does — collected dust in the university library. But when it was unearthed in the midst of the immigration debate, I experienced the vilification firsthand.

For people who have studied mental ability, what’s truly frustrating is the déjà vu they feel each time a media firestorm like this one erupts. Attempts by experts in the field to defend the embattled messenger inevitably fall on deaf ears. When the firestorm is over, the media’s mindset always resets to a state of comfortable ignorance, ready to be shocked all over again when the next messenger comes along.

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KEYWORDS: bellcurve; iq; richwine
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

Monty Python - Upper-class Twit of the Year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ba1OKY7Xc


21 posted on 08/09/2013 3:29:46 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

Monty Python Flying Circus


22 posted on 08/09/2013 3:30:14 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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To: reaganaut1
Because for decades the left has promulgated the myth of the tabula rasa or blank slate. The blank slate theory says that everyone is born with no inherited intelligence. All intelligence is learned...society is everything. Therefore, the failure of certain people is blamed on society rather than the individual.

That theory has been thoroughly disproven, but the left chooses to ignore the truth. Accepting that most intelligence is inherited would mean they would have to blame individuals for their failures instead of society.

23 posted on 08/09/2013 3:30:47 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: reaganaut1

Obviously, a Harvard Ph.D. is somehow distinguished (or just different) from just an ordinary Ph.D., as the astute and erudite author deliberately uses extra keystrokes to describe his degree in those terms.


24 posted on 08/09/2013 3:31:31 PM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all smart little girls to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: C210N; TheThirdRuffian

The lowest IQ score which appears in the scoring tables for the Wechsler IQ test manuals is around 40-45, depending on the index (Verbal, Perceptual, Working Memory, Processing Speed, Full Scale IQ.


25 posted on 08/09/2013 3:34:31 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Zeneta

Everyone’s opinion is equally valued in today’s society: even the opinions of the ignorant, the stupid, or the MSNBC viewers.


26 posted on 08/09/2013 3:34:32 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: colorado tanker
If someone actually gets a college degree you can assume they have the intelligence to do most jobs.

Not if your own IQ is above 100 and you have any real world (non-academia) experience.

They can shuffle papers and attend meetings, but if you assume they can be trusted with physical objects larger than a desktop computer or perhaps an automobile, you are walking on thin ice.

IQ, "education" and competence are not necessarily related. I have portions of all three, in varying quantities. Whatever scores I have achieved on SAT, military GCT or other "intelligence" tests have made me neither wise nor "rich".

What little competence I may have demonstrated has come via a mix of training, study and experience. As Moishe Rosen once said:

"Experience is the best teacher.
But, if you can accept it second hand
the "tuition" is less!"

27 posted on 08/09/2013 3:36:07 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: reaganaut1
Why can’t we talk about IQ?

Well, let me play devil's advocate here and answer that question with another question: what good would talking about it do?

Suppose a study were published that said that Norwegians as a group have a much higher IQ than, say, New Zealanders. That study could be used as an excuse for a lot of mischief. But would good would come out of it?

Something like crime statistics are useful because something can be done about crime. But an IQ is what it is. On a more personal basis, if I were hiring a person, I would be very interested in that person's education, work history, and overall self-motivation.

Unless I were hiring theoretical physicists, the candidate's IQ score would be way down the list of things I looked at.

28 posted on 08/09/2013 3:37:17 PM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: reaganaut1
For anyone interested in an excellent book about intelligence.

Buy this book The Bell Curve

29 posted on 08/09/2013 3:37:50 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: reaganaut1

We can’t use IQ tests, because SCOTUS said they are racist.

Apparently the protected classes have lower IQ scores.


30 posted on 08/09/2013 3:40:05 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Yep,

My liberal “EX-Girlfriend” once said “Opinions, can’t be wrong”.

I would ask if she felt Hitler’s opinion of Jews was wrong ?

This is when she would call me an a**hole.


31 posted on 08/09/2013 3:40:34 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Unknowing

Many people who really went to Harvard take pains to avoid saying they went to Harvard. I recognize that the opposite is also true, but the former statement is such a commonly observed phenomenon that Harvard alumni joke about it.

At any rate, the distinguishing factor between a “Harvard Ph.D.” and a regular, old, boring Ph.D. is the extra helping of smug that comes with the diploma.


32 posted on 08/09/2013 3:41:07 PM PDT by FateAmenableToChange (As as)
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To: colorado tanker

Better not assume any such thing, some of them just put in the time!


33 posted on 08/09/2013 3:41:07 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Fzob

The Belll Curve is a great book and its last two chapters on social policy should be required reading.


34 posted on 08/09/2013 3:41:34 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Chickensoup

Murray’s new book, “Coming Apart” is exceptional as well.


35 posted on 08/09/2013 3:42:45 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: C210N

Rutabagas begin below 19.


36 posted on 08/09/2013 3:42:55 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

YOu are right. I enjoyed it. He said he expanded those two chapters in the new book.


37 posted on 08/09/2013 3:43:27 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: colorado tanker
One reason a college degree has become a necessary qualification for so many jobs is that the lawyers and the P.C. crowd have all but outlawed employers giving intelligence tests. If someone actually gets a college degree you can assume they have the intelligence to do most jobs.

A BA/BS degree became a "legal" wicket when IQ tests were banned by POTUS, and at first they were a good measure, but not anymore. Lotss and lots of dumb people get degrees, but they can't reason. An IQ test actually measure your ability to think, not just your ability to remember.

38 posted on 08/09/2013 3:43:51 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: reaganaut1

Better question: WHY talk about IQ?


39 posted on 08/09/2013 3:43:52 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Because we are not all created equal. Blacks are pretty much a standard deviation below whites.

A lot of that difference is a result of a culture that punishes anyone who tries to get ahead and rewards a victim mentality.

I wonder, if only middle class blacks were considered, what the IQ distribution would be? I bet it would be indistinguishable from whites.

Culture and early childhood development cannot be excluded as contributors to IQ.

40 posted on 08/09/2013 3:45:13 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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