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Ron Paul: Iím worried that the government might kill Edward Snowden with a drone
The Washington Examiner ^ | June 11, 2013 | Charlie Spiering

Posted on 06/11/2013 5:02:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

(VIDEO AT LINK)

During an interview with FOX Business, former Rep. Ron Paul explained that he was concerned about the well-being of National Security Agency whistle-blower Edward Snowden.

“I’m worried about somebody in our government might kill him with a cruise missile or a drone missile,” Paul explained. “I mean we live in a bad time where American citizens don’t even have rights and that they can be killed, but the gentlemen is trying to tell the truth about what’s going on.”

Paul added that there were no signs of Snowden defecting to a foreign country, which meant that he was not really a threat.....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: drones; edwardsnowden; lping; murder; nsa; obama; paul; randpaul; ronpaul; snowden
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To: Jay Redhawk
Re: your tagline...

Zombies No Brains photo obama_supporters.jpg

201 posted on 06/11/2013 8:02:51 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: manc
Where is your outrage

I'm not the emotional type. I look at things with a wide lens and a discerning eye. I'm more concerned with Benghazi, the IRS and what the traitor stole. All this spying crap that most of us have known about for years is a distraction. It has pushed Benghazi, Obamacare and the IRS on the back burner if not off of the stove completely.

202 posted on 06/11/2013 8:03:59 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: null and void

Great picture! Looks a scene from the Walking Dead television series.


203 posted on 06/11/2013 8:06:49 PM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: boxlunch
It means exactly what it says.

I'm an American first I believe the ideals of America are far more important and greater than any allegiance to political dogma no matter what side it comes from.

I have no use for folks who don't place the Defense of this great Country above any other considerations.

204 posted on 06/11/2013 8:08:37 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Jay Redhawk

Yeah. Too bad it’s an actual obama campaign photo...


205 posted on 06/11/2013 8:11:08 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: SatinDoll

Did Snowden break the law? Yes. Is he a traitor? I don’t know. I think it depends on intent. Right now it seems he intended to inform the American people of a serious and clandestine attack on their civil rights by the govt. I don’t think that’s treason.


206 posted on 06/11/2013 8:20:38 PM PDT by virgil
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To: catfish1957

Naive is comparing the NSA to the IRS.


207 posted on 06/11/2013 8:21:59 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Alaska Wolf

yea because ignoring parts of the constitution is alright with you like the 4th amendment , well done just repeat those talking points

no wonder the Govt is out of country when the masses get in line and sit there repeating talking points and oh conservatives want limited Govt not oh well it’s been going on lets ignore it bla bla

obama loves you


208 posted on 06/11/2013 8:25:17 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: bamahead

And you agree with Putin on this subject.

Maybe you need to step back and come up with a better argument to support your point (assuming your actually have one).

Careful, because labels (in your case dumb ass) can follow you around for awhile ‘round these parts...


209 posted on 06/11/2013 8:27:14 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: boxlunch

Good catch, thanks....


210 posted on 06/11/2013 8:35:01 PM PDT by sand88
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To: manc
ignoring parts of the constitution is alright with you

Put the shovel down, you're just digging yourself in deeper and making a bigger fool of yourself with each ridiculous, stupid assertion.

How do you like this, slick? So you don't care about the illegal invasion, amnesty, Behghazi, the IRS, Obamacare or a traitor stealing US military secrets. You love Obama, don't you?

211 posted on 06/11/2013 8:37:05 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Nobody except the government.

Your argument is self defeating. By your logic, if I chose to tell you my bank account number, the government has a right to it, even without a warrant.


212 posted on 06/11/2013 8:37:17 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Henry Hnyellar
if I chose to tell you my bank account number, the government has a right to it

Why would you tell me? I never stated the government has a right to your personal information. The fact is that most of it is available to anyone with a desire to get it. It is a result of the computer age, credit cards, mortgages, insurance and contracts. Have you checked out your residence on Google Earth? I could count the number of vehicles parked in my yard and the positions which allowed me to figure out when the photo was taken.

213 posted on 06/11/2013 8:46:42 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Typical histrionics from Ron Paul. Why would it make any difference how the government killed this guy? Is it worse if a drone was used?


214 posted on 06/11/2013 8:48:42 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If a missile hits in the middle of Hong Kong or some other major city then this administration will have alot more to worry about than this spygate. No I’m thinking something more suttle like poison in this case.


215 posted on 06/11/2013 8:48:54 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: virgil

I don’t believe Snowden’s actions involved treason, either.

Many FReepers have decried that there is no one willing to stand-up and call-out the facts of this criminal administration operating from the White House that is intent on destroying the United States. Well, now we have one.

Jonathan Pollard definitely is a traitor. He spied for Israel. Some of the intelligence he stole ended up with the Peoples Republic of China. To me, in Pollard’s particular case, there is no doubt that the law was violated and treason occurred. Not so with Snowden.

Our government, it is claimed, now collects information on citizens to protect us. Bull****. Here are some facts: 98% of all terrorist acts over the past half-century were committed by Muslim men between the ages of 15 to 55.

We’re not screening for terrorists; BHO2 has ordered this from NSA for political reasons. He is using anti-terrorism as a smokescreen to destroy his political opponents and our liberties.


216 posted on 06/11/2013 8:58:57 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: mountainlion

snowden handed over docs to the guardian. and even with that, it doesn’t seem like a problem for Obama. so, what do they care what he says. I don’t think they need to kill him.


217 posted on 06/11/2013 9:03:37 PM PDT by willywill
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To: montanajoe

If this country now considers spying on its on citizens, intimidation and threats to citizens that are of the wrong political party, or are Christians, or are conservatives. that practice intimidation of the press, intimidation of Supreme Court judges to blackmail them into voting a certain way, and other communistic activities that are prohibited by our constitution, to be legal and okay, then what makes it still a great country? It has turned from the once great land of liberty to a statist tyranny. It may still be called America, but it is not the land of the free anymore, unless we stand up and put a stop to this now and return America to what she once was.

We CAN defend this country without giving up our freedoms. Sealing the borders, profiling of groups that actually cause danger, intelligence gathering of FOREIGN threats, but NOT indiscriminate spying on citizens with no warrant,not using the IRS and DOJ and data gathered from the NSA to threaten and intimidate citizens and judges.


218 posted on 06/11/2013 9:06:17 PM PDT by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Like I said on another thread—all I need to know is who is vilifying Snowden. Did he break the law? Yes. Who gives a fuck. He stood up against an unconstitutional act perpetrated by the Clinton/Obama cabal.

With a few outliers on both sides, the democrats hate him.

Therefore I am on Snowden’s side. ALL I NEED TO KNOW!!


219 posted on 06/11/2013 9:09:06 PM PDT by Husker8877
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To: RB156

Absolutely agree with that. And they probably have used it on judges, legislators, etc. in addition to giving it to the IRS.


It wouldn’t surprise me if the NSA got “intel” which caused the IRS to target conservative groups. I wonder what the totalitarian “conservatives” would think then?


220 posted on 06/11/2013 9:10:10 PM PDT by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: boxlunch
It may be possible to defend the country but when Traitors are called hero's by those claiming to be Conservative I am not hopeful.

For you America is no longer great nor seemingly needs to be Defended at all costs. Throughout our history civil liberties have been trampled in war time but the country survived and it will do so again.

The immediate threat is radical Islamists bent on killing us all. We cannot afford isolationism or pacifism to creep into in our national defense in the name of protecting the Constitution.

221 posted on 06/11/2013 9:23:51 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe

I fear the government more than I fear Al Qaeda.


222 posted on 06/11/2013 9:39:39 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Foolish very very foolish...


223 posted on 06/11/2013 9:48:54 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ~ Benjamin Franklin

Stand up for your rights instead of hiding under your bed anytime you hear the word “terrorist”. Who do you agree with, Benjamin Franklin or Obama?


224 posted on 06/11/2013 9:55:23 PM PDT by RB156
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To: RB156

I don’t hide, I travel and I have seen the radicals up close that will kill us given half a chance. Get your ass out in the world and then get back to me..


225 posted on 06/11/2013 10:10:11 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: SatinDoll

Well stated.

IMHO, either the NSA has sunken far below they ever imagined or there is something wrong with the reports.

Hard to believe they’re paying $200k/annum salary to a GED holding HS dropout with only a handful of community college course credits, as though he is a senior analyst in db management for a job in Hawaii when the market is glutted with out of work Sr Analysts from world league institutions.

Considering the amount of press he’s been given, when there are multiple national and world league, well documented, criminal abuses by this Administration, and I’m led to believe this is all a controlled disinformation campaign intended to shift political momentum against institutions which might actually be defending the Constitution.


226 posted on 06/11/2013 10:26:28 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Henry Hnyellar

>> Naive is comparing the NSA to the IRS.

The NSA does not prosecute nor tax. It’s the abuse by others of the information it is authorized to gather that is the problem.

Blaming the NSA for the alleged privacy violations is like blaming the gun for the shooting. It is Congress that has the crosshairs on privacy.


227 posted on 06/11/2013 10:41:10 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: montanajoe
The immediate threat is radical Islamists bent on killing us all.

Not all of us. We have some in our government who are on their side and working on their behalf. Ft. Hood was "workplace violence"?? Really?!?

What you believe and the things you are saying here to support your beliefs were true at one time, but this is a different world now and this country is now under very different management.

"It's 11:59 on Radio Free America; this is Uncle Sam, with music, and the truth until dawn. Right now I've got a few words for some of our brothers and sisters in the occupied zone:

"The chair is against the wall. The chair is against the wall."
"John has a long mustache. John has a long mustache."

"It's twelve o'clock, American, another day closer to victory. And for all of you out there, on, or behind the line, this is your song:"
[the Battle Hymn of the Republic begins to play]

228 posted on 06/11/2013 10:45:01 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: SatinDoll

I agree. It’s the opposite of treason to point out this tyranny that is hiding behind the flag of our great US of A. Where have we gone?


229 posted on 06/11/2013 10:45:06 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: RIghtwardHo
" I’m more worried that people will take the Paul’s seriously."

Whether we should take Ron Paul seriously or not, a clock is right twice a day.
In just this one case Ron Paul is right.
230 posted on 06/11/2013 10:48:35 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: GBA
Radical Islam could care less what “management” the country is under, our domestic politics have little or no effect on their goal of the total destruction of the west...
231 posted on 06/11/2013 10:49:29 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Sarah Barracuda
" I wouldnt be surprised if Snowden gets taken out, not by a drone, but killed by some other means, it might already have been done "

Yeah, the Osama Bin Laden special free of charge including a free burial at sea.
232 posted on 06/11/2013 10:53:56 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Tanniker Smith

Looks a lot like John Lennon in the first picture and in the 2nd ? looks like Buddy Holly ?


233 posted on 06/11/2013 10:56:13 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Irenic

of the 47 Snowden has, only 4 were presented in his power point...seems to be if neither news organization would publish them...there’s a reason for that...I agree that some things need to be kept secret.


234 posted on 06/11/2013 11:07:21 PM PDT by caww
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To: sand88

It’s the other 40 odd Snowdens points that weren’t revealed that would qualify him as a traitor.


235 posted on 06/11/2013 11:11:26 PM PDT by caww
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To: montanajoe

I agree.....there was a solid reason why neither news organizations would reveal his other 40 odd points and only published the same 4...... As was stated...”some things are meant to be secret”.

I somehow believe better minds than his prevailed...at least at this time.

China and Russia would love to have this guy...he’s a walking target no matter where he goes....and he knew that would be.


236 posted on 06/11/2013 11:15:08 PM PDT by caww
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To: Lexinom

<...”He’s a man with,... as far as I can tell,....altruistic motives”...>

You might want to go further then what you can tell....


237 posted on 06/11/2013 11:20:04 PM PDT by caww
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To: montanajoe

I’ve been posting some facts about this guy people don’t want to hear...they are in the hero worship mode and not thinking....nor are they looking into what this guy is about further.

I’ve been doing so and the picture isn’t pretty....

Keep them engaged and don’t let up Montana Joe....they will see in time.

CAWW


238 posted on 06/11/2013 11:22:33 PM PDT by caww
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To: manc; montanajoe
off point, are you serious, for crying out loud the 4th amendment ignored , that alright with you is it because they have done it before even though they said they were not doing it?

And 5th*, and 6th**, heck they're even setting things up so that they can violate Ex Post Facto law prohibitions.

No, this PRISM thing is an assault and overthrow of the Constitution itself.

** - A secret court. Secret, as in you are not informed of the charges against you. As in you are not given the ability to compel your own witnesses.
* - Because they're using your own communications to testify against you w/o due process of law (see the 6th).

239 posted on 06/12/2013 12:36:03 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: montanajoe
He had a security clearance..look up what it means. He is a traitor

The Constitution has a very specific definition of treason. Please show how he meets the requirements of this definition.

240 posted on 06/12/2013 12:39:32 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: null and void

That? That’s was just coincidence.

Gonna release a bunch of stuff, talked with Sheriff Joe just hours before and boom, accidentally falls over.

I mean it’s not like a Chicago mob ever ......


241 posted on 06/12/2013 2:24:48 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Lexinom

John Bolton is the GOP-E beltway crowd that has been fighting a no-win war on terrorism like they fought a no-win war in Vietnam.


242 posted on 06/12/2013 2:44:01 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: montanajoe
domestic spying is unavoidable and to be expected

Let me remind you of your rights.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Now tell me the following:
243 posted on 06/12/2013 4:15:41 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Henry Hnyellar
Naive is comparing the NSA to the IRS.

Check the org chart statist bozo. Same boss at the top.

244 posted on 06/12/2013 4:31:49 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey NSA Goon watching FR... Suck this - > |=====>)
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To: caww; montanajoe

See my post at 243. Whether or not Snowden is a hero is irrelevant. montanajoe asserts that the NSA’s spying on domestic communications is unavoidable and to be expected. He justifies his assertion under the premise of national security.


245 posted on 06/12/2013 4:52:50 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; montanajoe

YEs,thus far I agree with Mountainjoe.... already Alkaida and Terrorist groups are switching their communication since Snowdens leaks....via Fox news this morning...

you can’t say it hasn’t affected how the enemy behaves...and that now makes all the more areas of communication security teams now have to monitor, spreading out all the more in order to follow.


246 posted on 06/12/2013 5:16:32 AM PDT by caww
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To: yadent; 2ndDivisionVet

“...But I believe ‘silencers’ in this country are illegal, no??......:)...”

No, suppressors (”silencers”) are not illegal. They’re NFA Class III items, you simply need to have the tax stamp and paperwork for them, and they’re legal to own in almost every state (except the usual suspects).

And they’re not “silencers” - they simply reduce the noise, especially when you use subsonic ammunition, but they’re not silent. Reduces the “BANG!” to a snap, like a nail gun, and you don’t need to wear ear protection with them.

In Finland, where they have an active gun culture, suppressors are REQUIRED due to noise ordinances and population density. They help reduce hearing damage, for sure.

They quiet things down a bit, but it sure isn’t silent.


247 posted on 06/12/2013 5:38:14 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

The first pic is Snowden. The second was Arthur Darvill.


248 posted on 06/12/2013 6:12:07 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: montanajoe
I have no use for folks who don't place the Defense of this great Country above any other considerations.

Says everyone who has ever wrapped himself or herself up in the flag in order to defend the indefensible.

249 posted on 06/12/2013 6:20:47 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Jonty30

He would be Breitbarted.


250 posted on 06/12/2013 6:30:44 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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