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Gun Control Meltdown
WSJ ^ | 4-17-2013

Posted on 04/18/2013 4:35:18 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot

President Obama's gun control agenda was routed in the Senate on Wednesday, and Mr. Obama naturally blamed the National Rifle Association. The truth is that Mr. Obama invited this meltdown by assuming he could exploit the Newtown massacre to ram through a liberal wish-list that wouldn't have stopped the next mass murder.

The day's biggest news was the defeat of the amendment expanding background checks by Senators Pat Toomey (R., Pa.) and Joe Manchin (D., W.Va.). It fell six votes short of the 60 needed to pass, as four Democrats defected: Max Baucus (Mont.), Mark Begich (Alaska), Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.) and Mark Pryor (Ark.).

And that was the liberals' best hope. The President's proposed bans on certain rifles and large ammunition clips didn't even make 50 votes. ......

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The rout also vindicates Republicans who wanted the Senate to vote on the gun bill as opposed to the Rand Paul-Ted Cruz faction who sought a filibuster. For once Democrats had to declare themselves in public and couldn't hide behind shouts of "Republican obstructionism."

So much for the first big liberal hope of Mr. Obama's second term. Maybe he should consider a centrist strategy from now on.

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To: sickoflibs

“And shamelessly use those Newtown parents who in the end he did nothing for.”

I saw those people at his temper-tantrum “press conference” with plugs Biden consoling them like he was all concerned and stuff. “Shameless use” is exactly the right term. Those poor people are nothing more than stage props for 0bama, who couldn’t give two $h**s about them. How nice to have them handy for the press conference. Now he can treat them like his play-dolls and put them back on the shelf where he thinks they belong until it’s time to get them down and play with them again.


51 posted on 04/18/2013 5:43:24 AM PDT by henkster (I have one more cow than my neighbor. I am a kulak.)
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To: Kozak
I knew someone would jump in and piss on our minor celebration.

What did you expect Dingy Harry to do, anyway?

52 posted on 04/18/2013 5:43:49 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Joe Boucher
If I understand the rule correctly, it still requires 60 votes, not 60% of members present, to move the bill to a vote. Further, a quorum must be present to have the vote. The rule is to prevent chicanery like scheduling a vote for 3 AM and only telling a few of your buddies about it.
53 posted on 04/18/2013 5:46:06 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Just remember that the Statists are like the machine in batting cage – they will keep on coming no matter what.

They are just going to wait for the next “Serious Crisis” they can exploit to start this all over again.

“Grid your loins” as they say, we know what they will argue, we know what Lies and strawman they will use.

Be ready to do the same thing all over again.

AND for Pete’s sake, if you haven’t stocked up on hardware and ammo get out there and do so. You may need to wait until the hub bub dies down along with prices, but you have no excuse this time.

IF you haven’t filled out your retinue of self-defense tools, begin with what we know is one the top of their ‘to be banned’ list – Modern Sporting Rifles and Semi-auto handguns.

IF you already have you first set of these tools, consider buying some backups for same and figuring out a place to store them away.

IF you’re stocked up on ammo, wait until the prices settle out and stock up on some more please.

We know what we have in this bunch, we’ll have no excuse next time.


54 posted on 04/18/2013 5:47:51 AM PDT by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: henkster
I wonder if after the press conference, Jay Carney went over to the parents and told them that they were on their own to get back home, since they didn't deliver the victory Dear Leader expected.

Gabby was pathetic...she looked like a bobblehead doll.

55 posted on 04/18/2013 5:53:31 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Sir Napsalot

I’m going to call my mayor and demand an immediate pressure cooker buyback.


56 posted on 04/18/2013 5:53:37 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: Redleg Duke

I’m not trying to piss on anything. I’m happy. But because it didn’t go down in a final vote but was withdrawn as a procedural move, it still lives and those a holes NEVER let up.

“But you must remember, my fellow-citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing. It behooves you, therefore, to be watchful in your States as well as in the Federal Government.” — Andrew Jackson, Farewell Address, March 4, 1837


57 posted on 04/18/2013 5:57:53 AM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: henkster; FreeAtlanta; New Jersey Realist; EQAndyBuzz; 556x45; BwanaNdege; NFHale; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :”I saw those people at his temper-tantrum “press conference” with plugs Biden consoling them like he was all concerned and stuff. “Shameless use” is exactly the right term. Those poor people are nothing more than stage props for 0bama, who couldn’t give two $h**s about them. How nice to have them handy for the press conference. Now he can treat them like his play-dolls and put them back on the shelf where he thinks they belong until it’s time to get them down and play with them again.”

I got to see that live on MSNBC.
I noticed he gave the Sandy Hook Moms real big hugs and the men very light ones. It was quite a show.

Obama had little choice in this as it was a massive defeat for him.
This reminds me of 8 years ago when GWB boasted that he was using his ‘political capital’ to get SS reform only to get nothing on it. Thats exactly what arrogant Obama tried to do but he played up his own personal visibility over a longer period making it worse.

I was serious here:

To: CedarDave; Gilbo_3; NFHale
If the GOP can kill this in the Senate that will be a humiliating defeat to Obama+CO, and MSNBC too.
Maddow is on the ‘ban guns’ mission with the same enthusiasm she shows for ending DOMA. (somewhat ironically if you think about it)
Seeing that arrogant smile wiped off her smug face would be a joy.
5 posted on Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:41:32 AM by sickoflibs

58 posted on 04/18/2013 6:00:30 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Joe Boucher
What scares me is that reid may introduce the bill again when there are only about 5 republicans in the chamber along with maybe 20 dems.

But because the Senate could not pass this ... the House will not be in any mood to even bring it to a vote if Dem shenanigans are responsible for sending it to them.

59 posted on 04/18/2013 6:01:05 AM PDT by dartuser (My firearm is not illegal ... its undocumented.)
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To: BwanaNdege
Sit down and shut up.

Which would also help him combat AIDS.

60 posted on 04/18/2013 6:01:24 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (HEY RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Kozak
Bottom line is, yesterday was a good day but the fight is way far from over.

Send e-mails, letters, phone calls to your senators expressing your opinion of their votes. Keep agitating.

61 posted on 04/18/2013 6:03:20 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
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To: cripplecreek

Obama's 90% Lies


62 posted on 04/18/2013 6:05:44 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: VeniVidiVici
"immediate pressure cooker buyback"

I have turned in all such dangerous items to the government as directed.

I will be awaiting your further instructions Dear Leader.

63 posted on 04/18/2013 6:08:18 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: fatboy
“Sen Toomey, my Senator has some splainen to do though.”

Screw the “splainen” with all due respect, kick the ahole out on his butt! Seeing is believing!!!

64 posted on 04/18/2013 6:14:46 AM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: Kozak
“They withdrew the bill. It can be reintroduced at ANY TIME Dingy Harry wants to.”

After the elections and IF, they can capture the US House and add more socialist in the US Senate, then Hairy ass Reid will reintroduce the gun control bill(s). The socialist are not done by no stretch of the imagination, there is still more bribery, extortion, and graft to be had in order to secure more votes in favor of gun control legislation, bet on it!

Stand ready and vigilant my fellow Americans! We have taken the high ground, but, we must be ever ready for a counterattack!

65 posted on 04/18/2013 6:19:18 AM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: Tugo

It is not over.

They can pull this out for a vote again.

But it is a victory.


66 posted on 04/18/2013 6:19:45 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Please, please, please, lefties try to push more gun control right before the 2014 election.


67 posted on 04/18/2013 6:20:24 AM PDT by ez (Laws are for little people. Criminals, politicians, police, and David Gregory are exempt.)
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To: bert
When people with narcissistic personality disorder don't get their way, they escalate. I grew up with someone with this, and they will keep escalating till they get their way, or someone more powerful makes them stop.

Obama is the most powerful man in the world.

This is going to get ugly.

68 posted on 04/18/2013 6:27:42 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
redgolum: Like your tag line: "God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God

Update: "Who's Nietzsche?" God

69 posted on 04/18/2013 6:30:41 AM PDT by Tugo (Never Submit!)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

THAT was just mean.

LOVE it. Thanks.


70 posted on 04/18/2013 6:37:46 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

This shows why it was so CRITICALLY IMPORTANT for Romney to start needling Obama during the campaign in an effort to provoke a meltdown. Obama becoming emotionally unhinged is a scary and disturbing sight. It would have made a difference. But as usual the Pubbies lacked the stones.


71 posted on 04/18/2013 7:03:41 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: BobL
True, nothing stops you from pressure-cooking something, putting it in the refrigerator (or freezer) and the reloading the pressure-cooker to cook more of it.

Who knew that they could be reloaded??? I thought that these are foods, they're roasts- potatoes, so the people who have those now, they're going to cook them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high-capacity pressure cookers is going to decrease dramatically over time because the foods will have been cooked and there won't be any more available.

72 posted on 04/18/2013 7:06:45 AM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Colorado Doug

LOL, can’t stop laughing.... and you’re from Colorado (I assume)..... Priceless!


73 posted on 04/18/2013 7:15:27 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

I agree. The SOB can get all fired up and emotional about taking away our rights, but we must calmly investigate and bring to justice the bomber(s). He is a narcissist


74 posted on 04/18/2013 7:32:13 AM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Mind!)
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To: Joe Boucher

He voted last to defeat it so he can bring it up again.


75 posted on 04/18/2013 8:16:25 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Buckeye McFrog

That’s what I thought and the 1st debate gave me hope. But as you said they lacked the stones to follow thru.


76 posted on 04/18/2013 8:36:20 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
No one should need anything over one gallon...

When chickens come home to roost, you'll need at least a 10 gallon pot.

77 posted on 04/18/2013 9:23:08 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: All

Epic Facepalm!

This is a big f****in deal boss.

78 posted on 04/18/2013 9:29:13 AM PDT by McGruff (You are either with us or you are with the RINOs.)
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To: McGruff
Just imagine, if the gun grab bill had gone through.

These same clowns will be grinning and laughing and who knows what, right beside families of victims and Gabby.

Again, the reason why lots of us said these poor souls are being used as props.

79 posted on 04/18/2013 9:34:28 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
So much for the first big liberal hope of Mr. Obama's second term. Maybe he should consider a centrist strategy from now on.

There is no real middle ground on this particular issue, which is one thing that makes it such a third rail in American politics. What is presented as middle ground is in fact a partial surrender of basic rights instead of a complete one, which will surely follow.

It was fascinating to hear the talking heads parrot that "no one is in favor of firearms confiscation" when that precise thing was actually happening in New York. The question was never, "How stupid do they think we are" but "How stupid do they have to be to actually think that one will fly?"

80 posted on 04/18/2013 9:43:47 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: henkster; sickoflibs

” Those poor people are nothing more than stage props for 0bama, who couldn’t give two $h**s about them.”

Obama has a long history of not giving a shiite about anybody but himself.


81 posted on 04/18/2013 10:48:47 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Darksheare

You would think this would embolden the spineless GOP. They told Boy Blunder NO and the world didn’t end. If they are true to form the GOP will re-assume the position and apologize in advance for anything they may have done in the past, present or future to upset obama and the democrats.

Thank God for the NRA and gun owners willing to fight back against the statist.


82 posted on 04/18/2013 11:12:55 AM PDT by sarge83
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