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Gun Control Meltdown
WSJ ^ | 4-17-2013

Posted on 04/18/2013 4:35:18 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot

President Obama's gun control agenda was routed in the Senate on Wednesday, and Mr. Obama naturally blamed the National Rifle Association. The truth is that Mr. Obama invited this meltdown by assuming he could exploit the Newtown massacre to ram through a liberal wish-list that wouldn't have stopped the next mass murder.

The day's biggest news was the defeat of the amendment expanding background checks by Senators Pat Toomey (R., Pa.) and Joe Manchin (D., W.Va.). It fell six votes short of the 60 needed to pass, as four Democrats defected: Max Baucus (Mont.), Mark Begich (Alaska), Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.) and Mark Pryor (Ark.).

And that was the liberals' best hope. The President's proposed bans on certain rifles and large ammunition clips didn't even make 50 votes. ......

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The rout also vindicates Republicans who wanted the Senate to vote on the gun bill as opposed to the Rand Paul-Ted Cruz faction who sought a filibuster. For once Democrats had to declare themselves in public and couldn't hide behind shouts of "Republican obstructionism."

So much for the first big liberal hope of Mr. Obama's second term. Maybe he should consider a centrist strategy from now on.

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President Obama and the term 'lame duck' met for the first time.

Democrats who are facing tough primaires backhome have to consider their 'centrist' stands, and Obama will have more trouble getting his wishes done (Let's hope so).

The more tantrum Obama throws, the more ineffective he will be.

1 posted on 04/18/2013 4:35:18 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot

Hopefully AMMO prices will settle down so we can stock up for the second round.


2 posted on 04/18/2013 4:38:46 AM PDT by Tugo (Never Submit!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
RE :”President Obama’s gun control agenda was routed in the Senate on Wednesday, and Mr. Obama naturally blamed the National Rifle Association. The truth is that Mr. Obama invited this meltdown by assuming he could exploit the Newtown massacre to ram through a liberal wish-list that wouldn't have stopped the next mass murder. “

And shamelessly use those Newtown parents who in the end he did nothing for.

3 posted on 04/18/2013 4:43:00 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

And yet the Libs over at the DUmp are proposing more cowbell.

It is a little hard to overstate how bad the administration got it’s butt kicked yesterday and just how much it will help republicans in general in 2014. If the left leaning senate couldn’t pass anything and the administration had to resort to emotional tactics then this is good news. But still we must remain on the alert. Sen Toomey, my Senator has some splainen to do though.


4 posted on 04/18/2013 4:45:05 AM PDT by fatboy (This protestant will have no part in the ecumenical movement)
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To: Sir Napsalot

We have dead and injured in Boston and now Texas from explosions and Obama is upset about background checks. Go figure...

Before there’s a limit on the size of magazines, I want to see a limit on the size of pressure cookers. Who the heck needs a 1.6 gallon pressure cooker? No one should need anything over one gallon...


5 posted on 04/18/2013 4:45:29 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden (t)
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To: Sir Napsalot
What I hope is that our constantly stating that what the left desires (disarming Americans) and the steps that they will take to achieve that (ban this, register that, confiscate) is starting to counter the knee-jerkism that drives most of the sheeple.

There should be a "cooling off period" of 24 months before the pols can go about soliciting support for reaction-legislation. Because do we really want to base laws on the feelings of voters that measure their success in life by the number of "likes" they get on their fb posts?

6 posted on 04/18/2013 4:45:44 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Don’t be too happy. They withdrew the bill. It can be reintroduced at ANY TIME Dingy Harry wants to. They will the next time some tragedy happens...


7 posted on 04/18/2013 4:46:02 AM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Would that this defeat would end the slimy practice of using children, dead or alive, as props for the Left’s political agenda....but I doubt it.


8 posted on 04/18/2013 4:46:28 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Sir Napsalot

See how well gun control worked in Boston? Not one person was shot in that bomb attack.


9 posted on 04/18/2013 4:47:24 AM PDT by RC one (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Tugo

Amen!


10 posted on 04/18/2013 4:48:50 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Goes to show now the gun control issue is now for all purposes is DEAD. What has happened both in Boston and now in near Waco proves the need to honor Amendment #2.


11 posted on 04/18/2013 4:49:09 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

I almost laughed out loud at obama’s pissy fit.


12 posted on 04/18/2013 4:50:22 AM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: fatboy

Pretty much this week saw Obama’s rear-end handed to him a number of times.


13 posted on 04/18/2013 4:50:25 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
The widely circulated 'rumor' about Obama getting gun control done under the radar -

Stealth Gun Control - EPA Considering Ban on Lead in Bullets as "Environmental Hazard" (Aug 2010) Lots of articles if you do a search

14 posted on 04/18/2013 4:54:05 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: svcw
Princess Binky needs a nappy.

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15 posted on 04/18/2013 4:54:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

“Who the heck needs a 1.6 gallon pressure cooker? No one should need anything over one gallon...”

True, nothing stops you from pressure-cooking something, putting it in the refrigerator (or freezer) and the reloading the pressure-cooker to cook more of it. And maybe doing it again once or twice more.

Yea, there will be SOME PEOPLE that claim that they need to cook for a lot of people at once, but we have catering services for that function. There is NO CULINARY JUSTIFICATION for a family to own a large pressure cooker.

The ONLY PURPOSE of a large pressure cooker is so people can load it up with nails and gunpowder and go out and kill people. Large pressure cookers are made to do nothing but kill people - they are weapons of urban warfare.

Be it resolved that henceforth pressure cookers will be limited to 2 quarts each. People that already have larger pressure cookers will have to sell them off in a other country, or turn them in on Pressure Cooker Buyback Day.

We lost an 8 year old child in Boston, and I am sickened by it. If limiting the size of pressure cookers can save ONE CHILD’s life in the future, then it is worth it.


16 posted on 04/18/2013 4:56:50 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Tugo
Prices seem irrelevant when staring at empty shelves.

Gotta remember to take my phone next trip to Wally's and get a pic .. couple days ago there was nothing in common calibers .. just dusty squares where stuff used to be.

17 posted on 04/18/2013 4:56:51 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: txrefugee

“Would that this defeat would end the slimy practice of using children, dead or alive, as props for the Left’s political agenda....but I doubt it.”

No way, they started it with the “Daisy Ad”, used it with Reagan and Newt (school lunch program), used it very effectively with Clinton and Obama. It is simply their BEST TACTIC.

A friend once observed to me, regarding Clinton, that he is ALWAYS hiding behind children and uniforms...very astute observation.


18 posted on 04/18/2013 4:58:45 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Kozak

What scares me is that reid may introduce the bill again when there are only about 5 republicans in the chamber along with maybe 20 dems.


19 posted on 04/18/2013 5:03:09 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Sir Napsalot

I need to thank my senator who voted against them all. Lord knows I don’t mind criticizing....

But its NOT over...so long as there is a dumblecrat majority somewhere, they will keep yammering and hammering away.
SCRU these people and the hypocrite Harry Reid. But it was funny to hear zero pouting and stompuing his foot like a 2yr old.


20 posted on 04/18/2013 5:04:44 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: sickoflibs

Those Newtown parents reminded me of the 4 harpies in Jersey after 9/11 and how Kerry used them in his campaign.


21 posted on 04/18/2013 5:04:50 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

I need more than a one gallon pressure cooker, I still garden and can......


22 posted on 04/18/2013 5:11:19 AM PDT by gardner
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To: sickoflibs

I have compassion for the loss suffered by the Newtown parents but they DID receive closure because the killer was himself killed. There are many acts of violence committed in this world where closure NEVER comes so they should be satisfied and how DARE they think interfering with my freedom to protect myself and my family is ever a good thing.

The good guys finally won one and Obastard and the gun controllers received a setback yesterday but I’m sure the bastards won’t give up but it will not go well for them.

New Jersey is trying to pull the same shitty legislation and for that I am getting out of NJ for good and heading for North Carolina or Texas where we can breathe free air.


23 posted on 04/18/2013 5:11:27 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Sir Napsalot

“The rout also vindicates Republicans who wanted the Senate to vote on the gun bill as opposed to the Rand Paul-Ted Cruz faction who sought a filibuster. “

Vindicates?
Hardly.
Enough GOP-e sellouts exist that such a move is tickling the dragons tail.
We got extremely lucky.
We may not be so lucky next time.
Look to New York for an example of UNlucky.


24 posted on 04/18/2013 5:11:32 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Sir Napsalot
So much for the first big liberal hope of Mr. Obama's second term. Maybe he should consider a centrist strategy from now on.

SOMEbody hasn't been paying ATTENTION.

He will double-, triple-, and quadruple-down.

25 posted on 04/18/2013 5:13:33 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

not a time for complacency... keep your guard up.


26 posted on 04/18/2013 5:14:10 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: tomkat

If you need something, watch here:
http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/40sw/

The stuff at decent prices goes OOS pretty fast though.


27 posted on 04/18/2013 5:14:51 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: svcw
Zero was claiming that the minority held up "common sense" gun control.

There are 53 Democrats and 47 Republicans in the Senate.

60 were needed.

That means even if the vote split right down party lines, it wouldn't pass..

Sooooo...that means ALL the democrats had to vote for it PLUS 7 Republicans. (I guess Zero's idea of bipartisanship, I get all of mine plus MOST of yours)

Instead they got 58 of the needed 60, with 4 dems jumping ship. That means 9 republicans went to his side.

It was a good thing for him he went to school in some other country. He's such a nancy boy, he would have had a beat down every day, just by the girls alone, if he would have gone to school in the US.


28 posted on 04/18/2013 5:17:36 AM PDT by mountn man (ATTITUDE- The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
President Obama and the term 'lame duck'

I prefer to think of Zero as a lame f*ck.

29 posted on 04/18/2013 5:18:07 AM PDT by NRA1995 (I'd rather be a living "gun culture" member than a dead anti-gun candy-ass.)
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RE :”Those Newtown parents reminded me of the 4 harpies in Jersey after 9/11 and how Kerry used them in his campaign.”

I forgot all about them.

Kriston Britweiser and the Jersey girls who kept on going on MSNBC and NBC and blaming GWB for 9/11. She lied and claimed she was Republican I recall.

Bush deserves blame for lots of things after 8 years but blaming him for 9/11 his first year was just pure political opportunism.


30 posted on 04/18/2013 5:19:07 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: demshateGod
Good resource, thanks for that.

Probably a LOT of folks out there not putting in anywhere NEAR the practice time they'd like.

31 posted on 04/18/2013 5:19:40 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Sir Napsalot

-——the more ineffective he will be——

I think he will become more vindictivly dangerous.

Case in point.......

Governor Haslem of Tennessee appeared to be dithering before coming out in opposition to Obamacare exchanges for Tennessee. He was weighing the presidential threat

This week the IRS and FBI invaded the Knoxville corporate offices of Pilot/Flying J with a search warrant.

The message is pretty clear....... don’t screw with the president or I will hurt your families.

With this kind of vindictive action, Obama will be doing very well to be alive on the last day of his term.


32 posted on 04/18/2013 5:20:34 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: gardner

My Mom’s old canning/pressure cooker is on a shelf in her basement. Should I call the sheriff to come pick it up, just to be on the safe side?

No, I’ll just smuggle it to my house. It’s great for making boiled peanuts in a fraction of the usual time spent stirring an open kettle. Public safety be d***ed. /s


33 posted on 04/18/2013 5:21:16 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: mountn man

Yep, however I would have said randy boy.


34 posted on 04/18/2013 5:22:12 AM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: sickoflibs

“And shamelessly use those Newtown parents who in the end he did nothing for.”

There is absolutely NOTHING Obama can do for the grieving in Newtown.

Well, there are two things he could do.

Sit down and shut up.


35 posted on 04/18/2013 5:23:54 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: sickoflibs

They allowed it, no one forced them.


36 posted on 04/18/2013 5:25:20 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: svcw

According to urban dictionaries, I’ll stick with nancy boy.


37 posted on 04/18/2013 5:26:58 AM PDT by mountn man (ATTITUDE- The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It.)
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To: Lazamataz

It’s all a setup, it was never expected to pass although everyone wanted us to think it was close. The whole goal, scream and yell going into the midterm elections, vote,vote,vote... and for sure we will! It was a big day yesterday, how and who drives the message to low information voters from here on out matters greatly!


38 posted on 04/18/2013 5:27:05 AM PDT by GizzyGirl
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To: New Jersey Realist; EQAndyBuzz; NFHale; Gilbo_3
RE :”There are many acts of violence committed in this world where closure NEVER comes so they should be satisfied and how DARE they think interfering with my freedom to protect myself and my family is ever a good thing.”

More than that according to MSNBC they were key in getting the new and strict CT gun laws passed by dogging those assembly members with pictures and emotions. But it didnt work the same way in the US Senate.

So it was quite arrogant of them from CT where they got their laws to join Obama in trying to impose similar restrictions(in the end whatever they could get) on states like Texas, even if you like the ideas.

Do we make all MSNBC certified victims a King for the day?

39 posted on 04/18/2013 5:28:45 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: bert
With this kind of vindictive action, Obama will be doing very well to be alive on the last day of his term.

He has an amazing life-insurance policy in Joe Biden.

40 posted on 04/18/2013 5:29:19 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
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41 posted on 04/18/2013 5:31:20 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Sir Napsalot

I didn’t see him speak, but I heard it in his voice.

The petulant little entitled brat shown through his voice, loud and clear.


42 posted on 04/18/2013 5:31:45 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Not really.

Obama and the Democrats actually in private are glad to see this because they are waiting and hoping for the “next gun massacre” which they will pin on the Republicans not giving in on this gun control grab which Obama will use over and over again in ads in order to take back the House in 2014.


43 posted on 04/18/2013 5:33:34 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Tugo
Hopefully AMMO prices will settle down so we can stock up for the second round.

When 22LR drop from the current .35-.50 a round to .04-.07 a round, then we'll know that the supply/demand equation is getting balanced.

Widener's last night:
IMIM193C 1200 round case IMI 55gr FMJBT Ammunition $689.00 / 1200 rd case
Gone this morning, but the best deal I've seen on that caliber in some time.

My local gun shop has WPA classic .223 @ $230 /500 right now. Outside of requiring extra cleaning time, I've not had any issues with it. At least I can actually enjoy a little practice at the range now.

44 posted on 04/18/2013 5:34:28 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Tugo

“so we can stock up”

That is what has caused the ammo shortage in the first place.


45 posted on 04/18/2013 5:34:48 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: mountn man
>>> ....he would have had a beat down every day, just by the girls alone, if he would have gone to school in the US.

I wish he DID (attend school in US).

Some early childhood beatdown might cure whatever malady he's suffereing from and beat some ‘common sense’ (as we know it) into him.

46 posted on 04/18/2013 5:36:10 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: mountn man

I looked the words up, interesting randy boy used to mean homosexual


47 posted on 04/18/2013 5:36:58 AM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: Oberon

Think president Boehner


48 posted on 04/18/2013 5:38:32 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Maybe he should consider a centrist strategy from now on.

Now that's just silly. Everyone knows that when faced with the obviousness of failure jughead doubles down on that which failed. Proudly having zero common sense is an Øblowme trademark.

49 posted on 04/18/2013 5:39:54 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Sir Napsalot

“Democrats who are facing tough primaires backhome have to consider their ‘centrist’ stands, and Obama will have more trouble getting his wishes done (Let’s hope so).”

My NC Democrat Senator Kay Hagan voted for the gun control bill since she consistently supports the priorities of her mentor (master) Chuck Schumer and the DNC. This morning there is nothing on her official website home page about her vote. Hagan is running for reelection in 2014 and will have a tough vote on immigration coming up. Will the Republicans be able to find and run a candidate to beat her in NC? Hagan is vulnerable but likely will beat a RINO.


50 posted on 04/18/2013 5:40:35 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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