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Judith Grossman: A Mother, a Feminist, Aghast
Wall Street Journal ^ | April 17, 2013 | JUDITH E. GROSSMAN

Posted on 04/17/2013 9:00:13 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist

I am a feminist. I have marched at the barricades, subscribed to Ms. magazine, and knocked on many a door in support of progressive candidates committed to women's rights. Until a month ago, I would have expressed unqualified support for Title IX and for the Violence Against Women Act.

But that was before my son, a senior at a small liberal-arts college in New England, was charged—by an ex-girlfriend—with alleged acts of "nonconsensual sex" that supposedly occurred during the course of their relationship a few years earlier.

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Schadenfreude squared.
1 posted on 04/17/2013 9:00:13 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: BlueStateRightist

I think the word Ms. Grossman is looking for is KARMA.


2 posted on 04/17/2013 9:04:35 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: BlueStateRightist
My mama taught all six of her boys to keep their pants zipped until they were married. Four of us six took her advice and have all had decent marriages.

One of the two who didn't changed his ways and finally found the right girl in his fifties. The other who didn't. married a witch with an attractive paint job who drove him into an early grave.

It is the best advice a mama can give her boys.

3 posted on 04/17/2013 9:06:45 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: BlueStateRightist

A conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged. Her family is getting mugged.


4 posted on 04/17/2013 9:08:49 AM PDT by Mercat (I'm loving this Pope)
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To: BlueStateRightist

Most unwitting supporters of NWO don’t know that NWO sucks.

Until the impact of NWO statism/corruption/immorality wacks them upside the head.

Judith likes the immoral laws that have been passed in the US and the eroding of the morality of our legal system. Just not when they start affecting her family.


5 posted on 04/17/2013 9:09:37 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: BlueStateRightist

Some animals are more equal than others. She didn’t mind when it was other males who were guilty by a preponderance of evidence until proven innocent, had no right to counsel and no right to confront accusers or even to know the exact charges. It became wrong when it was her own son being railroaded. She disgusts me. I’m glad he got off on the charges, but a decent person would be offended by the system when other people were the victims, rather than only when a family member gets caught in that web.


6 posted on 04/17/2013 9:10:00 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: BlueStateRightist

Liberals don’t like the constitution until they actually need it.

And the years of bashing the white man has finally caught up to one of their own.


7 posted on 04/17/2013 9:10:23 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: BlueStateRightist

My sister in law is nurse. She and I got the boys together and I gave them the lecture about child support and that they should never assume a woman is telling them the truth about birth control and my SIL gave them the lecture about STDs. Amazing that any of them reproduced. Actually, of the six, only two have so far. hmm.


8 posted on 04/17/2013 9:10:33 AM PDT by Mercat (I'm loving this Pope)
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Out on a Nice Date


Shouldn't they have marriage rights too?
I mean, even though they're not homosexuals.

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9 posted on 04/17/2013 9:13:39 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: BlueStateRightist
Hypocrite - She was perfectly fine with the way things were - until it affected her son. What about the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of other mothers' sons? Just their tough luck, I guess.
10 posted on 04/17/2013 9:13:49 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Pollster1

You are exactly right. Had it not been her son she would have been on the side of the girl.

Next week she will be back on the side of the girl.

These people are incurable.

Men get screwed daily by judges and lawyers when they face divorce court.

A friends wife took two years cleaning out every dime in his bank account —around $250,000 dollars before she left him.

Now she will get half of his home and half of his pension.
It doesn’t matter how much she got while livng with him, she is still entitled to half after she is gomne.


11 posted on 04/17/2013 9:16:04 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: BlueStateRightist

If you are a male in college, the easiest course is to have nothing to do with the women there. You will have plenty of time when you get out into the real world.


12 posted on 04/17/2013 9:18:21 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: BlueStateRightist
Schadenfreude squared.

More like cubed, if you ask me. I'm growing weary of anecdotal stories from those professing to be "good liberals". This is the society that they wrought, so she should learn to deal with it, and sacrifice her son to the altar of the government.

Think she's ready to read Atlas Shrugged? I would direct her to the trial of Henry Rearden.

13 posted on 04/17/2013 9:19:10 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: BlueStateRightist
My wife used to work at a university in the office that handles disciplinary matters. This kind of case happened all the time. Usually, it involved a girl having second thoughts after losing her virginity who somehow was convinced that charging someone with "date rape" would restore her maiden status.

Still, I find it difficult to suppress a feeling of schadenfreude when a PC leftist gets bit on the ass by a policy of their own making (tee hee).

14 posted on 04/17/2013 9:19:26 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Venturer

As humanists,
they believe in their own inherent ability to make ad hoc “decisions” in each situation,
regardless of any set of rules they previously held or applied in another situation.


15 posted on 04/17/2013 9:21:28 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I know lots of progressives like Grossman. They are careful to tell their kids all about condoms, STD’s, protecting oneself, and collective, human rights - but never talk about responsibility, honor or morality. That stuff borders on “religious” and is a no-no.

It is exactly as Mark Steyn write recently regarding the effect of the attack on marriage has on society, but it applies just as equally to “Title IX,” Obamacare, or any other Leftist social-engineering scheme.

Grossman is a leftist elitist (and lawyer) so she will still live in her nice suburb, send her kids to the proper schools, and find a way for herself and those near her to survive the destruction she and other progressives have brought on society. Meanwhile, millions below her won’t have the same money, connections or ability.


16 posted on 04/17/2013 9:28:35 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: BlueStateRightist
No sympathy for the author whatever - this is the world she created. Where the hell has she been for the last thirty years?

I fear that in the current climate the goal of "women's rights," with the compliance of politically motivated government policy and the tacit complicity of college administrators, runs the risk of grounding our most cherished institutions in a veritable snake pit of injustice—not unlike the very injustices the movement itself has for so long sought to correct.

It was never about equality. It was always about revenge. The author had to wait until it became personal to realize how vicious the thing is, was, and will be for the foreseeable future.

I made myself somewhat unpopular on campus by simply observing that women here are a privileged majority - they outnumber men, they have a Women's Center, a Women's Gym, Women's programs, women's scholarships, an entire academic department; none of these have any counterparts for men, and the old saw that they aren't needed because men already dominate just isn't cutting it anymore. I stated that I will once again become a donor when this is remediated, safe in the knowledge that it never will be.

17 posted on 04/17/2013 9:28:39 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: BlueStateRightist

Another example of the academic gulag at work. College campus’ are a hostile environment to males.

Thank God I went to college in the 60s at the start of the sexual revolution. I was proud to do my part to liberate women.


18 posted on 04/17/2013 9:29:11 AM PDT by y6162
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To: BlueStateRightist

So how do you like choking on your own feces, Judith?


19 posted on 04/17/2013 9:30:02 AM PDT by Ignatz (Winner of a prestigious 1960 Y-chromosome award!)
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To: BlueStateRightist

Another one who can’t believe she will be on the trains with the rest of us. Lady, you will not be protected; so why continue to believe liars who will bring you down and destroy you? Your only hope is to stand up against the people who seek to take your real freedom.


20 posted on 04/17/2013 9:35:44 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: BlueStateRightist
This woman is a hypocrite. She favors all the feminist lies and false accusations. She then pretends to be against them when it happens to her son. If some other young man were in he same position, she her friends and probably even her son, would be the first to condemn and not care in the least that he was falsely accused.

All liberals and all feminists are hypocrites. This woman is just one of many.

21 posted on 04/17/2013 9:37:27 AM PDT by detective
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To: BlueStateRightist
This is fun. And her first paragraph basically provided us with a scorecard. How long until it says:

I am a feminist. BUT NO MORE.

I have marched at the barricades. BUT NO MORE.

Subscribed to Ms. magazine. BUT NO MORE.

Knocked on many a door in support of progressive candidates. BUT NO MORE.

Committed to women's rights. BUT NO MORE.

Have expressed unqualified support for Title IX and for the Violence Against Women Act. BUT NO MORE.

Whee! Everybody can play! One domino after another, at the first brush with reality!
22 posted on 04/17/2013 9:39:42 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Dies irae, Dies illa, / Solvet saeclum in favilla / Teste David et Sybilla.)
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To: BlueStateRightist
their relationship a few years earlier.

Three times in this article she references the infraction as "a few years earlier" as if this makes any difference. But ,. . . she's a lawyer and there's a reason for it.

23 posted on 04/17/2013 9:41:47 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: BlueStateRightist

It was never a problem for her when the sons of other mothers were smeared and condemned in star chamber hearings. If only these cretinous activists could arrange for their policies never to apply to them, it could finally be a perfect world.


24 posted on 04/17/2013 9:45:00 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: Mercat

Don’t care how many times she’s been mugged, I want her to stay on the other side. She’s just too stupid and untrustworthy to pass for a conservative.


25 posted on 04/17/2013 9:46:26 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: BlueStateRightist

I feel a bit sorry for the writer’s son. He’s the clay pigeon launched by his ignorant excuse of a mother. We (conservatives) warned her and warned her, then warned her again about title IX, but she wouldn’t listen. She’s smarter than us because she gets Ms magazine.

Now her kid is up s*** creek without a paddle, and it’s her fault.


26 posted on 04/17/2013 9:47:26 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: BlueStateRightist
Thankfully, I happen to be an attorney and had the resources to provide the necessary professional assistance to my son. The charges against him were ultimately dismissed but not before he and our family had to suffer through this ordeal. I am of course relieved and most grateful for this outcome.
Well good for you, Honey! How many young men from more modest backgrounds who fall into this type of trick bag would be just as fortunate? I bet this b*tch wouldn't so much as piss on them if they were on fire.
27 posted on 04/17/2013 9:48:27 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: BlueStateRightist

yep. Reaping what one sows comes to mind.

Mz. Grossman didn’t give a flying fig about all the other young men who were similarly charged (most by vindictive exes). All for the cause! But suddenly the proverbial chickens come home to roost and she goes all ballistic.


28 posted on 04/17/2013 9:51:18 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Cyber Liberty

MZ> Grossman should’ve heeded the warnings from a dead White guy named Shakespear, “There is nothing so bitter as the taste of one’s own words”. Or, in “street” vernacular, Payback is a b*tch!


29 posted on 04/17/2013 9:56:30 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: DPMD

“If only these cretinous activists could arrange for their policies never to apply to them, it could finally be a perfect world.”

Interestingly, all urban, white leftists like this woman are quite negatively affected by MOST of what they vote for (e.g., higher taxes, more regulation, “green initiatives”, affirmative action, politically correct policies, gun control, nanny-statism, etc.), and they still accept these punishments with rationalizations and angry, illogical arguments. Her son’s predicament selectively activates her fight response, but nothing else will. Can’t she see how all progressive policy undermines her progeny’s future? The “tribunal” her son just faced is only the tip of the iceberg with regard to his future on this planet.


30 posted on 04/17/2013 9:56:34 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: Mercat

“A conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged. Her family is getting mugged.”

‘Can’t say I feel sorry for her.


31 posted on 04/17/2013 9:59:26 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: BlueStateRightist

Well, Judi, you created this world for your son and now he has to live in it.


32 posted on 04/17/2013 9:59:32 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Impala64ssa

Shakespeare had an expression about a serpent’s tooth as well. I’m sure her lad is pretty ungrateful for her efforts these days.


33 posted on 04/17/2013 10:00:25 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: PGR88

ping for later...


34 posted on 04/17/2013 10:06:21 AM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: Sans-Culotte
Once again progressivism proves that it can't trump human nature. No matter how deep into the black hole of sexual permissiveness this society goes, most young men will instinctively prefer a virgin to be the mother of their children, and most young women instinctively know it, even if their brains can't process what their natures are telling them because of interference in the process from cultural artificial feedback. Otherwise, why would young women feel remorse, even resort to tactics which will destroy another human's life, because of it?
35 posted on 04/17/2013 10:07:22 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: PGR88
I know lots of progressives like Grossman.

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Grossman is a leftist elitist (and lawyer) so she will still live in her nice suburb, send her kids to the proper schools, and find a way for herself and those near her to survive the destruction she and other progressives have brought on society. Meanwhile, millions below her won’t have the same money, connections or ability.


Progressivism and leftism were financed by the eastern establishment (northeast "old money", i.e., Wall Street, tied to British/European banking, i.e., new world order) starting around the late 19th and early 20th century. However, since it goes directly against the myth that was created for the rank and file of the left. It's largely been kept a secret at the highest levels, with the rank and file of leftism being berated into ignoring the relationship. The rank and file of leftism typically dutifully avoid thinking about the implications of the relationship so they can continue to believe in their myth.

Stock holdings of these nwo interests were put into tax-exempt foundations as the income tax was put in place in the US that simultaneously a) avoided taxes and b) could indefinitely continue to carry on transnational (global, non-governmental) operations that tightened the grip of these wealthy interests on power over politicians, and, hence, over government, as well as media and education.

These foundations continue to this day to have their strongest but most subtle ties with the international communist movement (thus unions) and the educational systems of most nations, even though their boards consist exclusively of Wall Street types, Ivy League alumni (the universities where nwo sends their children) and the descendants of the original members of the money interests. Meanwhile, the boards of directors of most publicly-held corporations and the world of finance, being cut from the same cloth, continue to consolidate financial ownership and influence to their own ranks.

Liberal elites that are not "in the know" about nwo simply instinctively realize that they, as minions of interests that appear quite powerful, would be well-provided-for the more those "insterests" can consolidate their political power.

Under even the most tryannical and corrupt governments, the minions of the powers that be have the best of everything available, live in gated communites, have privilege and protection under the law, etc.
36 posted on 04/17/2013 10:11:07 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Mother doesn’t even question whether he MAY BE guilty.

How many girls did he “do” before someone blew the whistle on his rapes.

Just saying.


37 posted on 04/17/2013 10:20:14 AM PDT by BilLies (The Progressive Liberal American Press will be the death of freedom in this country.)
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To: BlueStateRightist

If her son had turned out gay this wouldn’t have happened.


38 posted on 04/17/2013 10:44:19 AM PDT by informavoracious (The ancient Greeks and Romans thought they were on the "right side of history.")
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To: BilLies

That right there is a good point. Maybe the kid’s a weasel and did the deed?


39 posted on 04/17/2013 10:57:17 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Vigilanteman

Sadly event that won’t protect a man from a woman crying rape, as many states recognize the possibly of marital rape.

With the humerus misnomer liberals sell about marriage which enables them to claim the possibly of Sodomy qualifying as marriage then certantly Marriage must to them have as little to do with Sex as it does children.


40 posted on 04/17/2013 11:28:31 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: PieterCasparzen

you need to stop using terms like NWO which people have already identified as conspiracy theory nut(rightly or wrongly). Just pick a new term or focus rhetorical attacks on the specific and identifiable symptoms.

That is the only way you can kill whatever it is you see anyway.


41 posted on 04/17/2013 11:34:03 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: BlueStateRightist

“These safeguards of due process have, by order of the federal government, been replaced by what is known as “a preponderance of the evidence.” What this means, in plain English, is that all my son’s accuser needed to establish before a campus tribunal is that the allegations were “more likely than not” to have occurred by a margin of proof that can be as slim as 50.1% to 49.9%.”

So the Federal employees in black robes have finally lost track of the original meaning and propose of the Due process of law clauses of the U.S. Constitution.

This is what happens when you assign an entirely new and completely different meaning to it. But i suppose they had to hijack some line of text to be rewritten into their unlimited grant of power.

Sadly we now no longer have due process of law.


42 posted on 04/17/2013 11:36:50 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: BlueStateRightist

Welcome to the world of “the little people”, Judith.


43 posted on 04/17/2013 11:39:51 AM PDT by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: Monorprise

I hear ya! According to the libtard screed we have no more control over when and where we poke our peckers than a dog in heat.


44 posted on 04/17/2013 12:11:14 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: BlueStateRightist

This is the stuff from communist and nazi show trials against their enemies. Well we know what the universities are prepping the soulless youth for the ultimate next stage in the rise of the totaltitalitarian state and to roll out there next in line judges and prosecutors for the kangaroo courts. Where witnessing it in real time.


45 posted on 04/17/2013 12:34:18 PM PDT by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: Monorprise
you need to stop using terms like NWO which people have already identified as conspiracy theory nut(rightly or wrongly). Just pick a new term or focus rhetorical attacks on the specific and identifiable symptoms.

Focusing on identifiable symptoms - and refusing to identify the root cause - is exactly what has been happening for over a century. It has never worked, nor will it ever work.

There are those who a) have head in sand, b) those who are unaware, c) those who are aware, and d) those who while not completely aware are trying to improve their understanding.

nwo is simply a convenient shorthand since a) nwo uses the term themselves and b) nwo has various segments in it's total organization, including the foundation system, international banking, those working inside government, central banking, universities, news media, etc. To use the term banking by itself, and focus on it alone, for example, is to fall woefully short of describing an organization that, while perhaps smallish at the top and in its ultimate goal, is nonetheless very large in its true scope and strategies.

An example of what is utterly fruitless: to complain about a "left-leaning" educational system and try to "fix" it, without taking into account the key well-endowed foundations that guide its leaders.

Granted, it is very difficult to fathom and accept too much shocking information all in one sitting. This is why one should a) research with an open mind and yet confident knowledge that no matter how bad things are there is still a God in heaven who will not abandon his own, b) prepare oneself to have one's ideas of history turned upside down, c) wade through and put aside or discard any claims that are not black and white and simple, and d) be patient and go slowly, but keep going, until you get the basic ideas on the big "moving parts" of the picture.

That's really all one needs to know. At the end of the day, how it affects individuals is that they know they should be heading their investments towards companies privately-held either by them or a group of people they know; pay off their debts to big banks and never go back, try to increase their grassroots media and education Influence in their town, State, etc. (the wealthier you are the better), to counter the influence of nwo; be wary and verify (and try to clue in) everyone you deal with financially, politically, etc.

God willing, we'll see a lot of this and we can kick out nwo and take back our nation.

If nwo is identified and pursued publically, legally, etc., by enough people, it will eventually lose. But it will win if we keep insisting that it has successfully hidden itself inside its own self-generated conspiracy smokescreen.
46 posted on 04/17/2013 8:28:55 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Your posts are quite literally a treasure I eagerly await each day to rifle through. (:


47 posted on 04/17/2013 8:35:55 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I’m not at all convinced that such a vast conspiracy exist.

I do know that there exist ideological in all of these industries who act generally to promote common ideological goals and that this ideological coordination does indeed have effect you seem to have identified.

I also know that for the better part of a century the communist left have put together and worked to implement general broad plans by encouraging its supporters to infiltrate specific and key industries in our civilization in-order to implement specified changes that they believe will lead to a population predisposed to accept their evil ideology.

But this is not so much a conspiracy as a well laid out inter-generational plan by socialist to advance our population towards socialism.
As far as addressing this, coronation if you want to attack a system as opposed to each of the individual efforts you must find its critical points and attack them. As far as creating a label for the complete system whether its NWO will just prompt the operators of this system(in this case leftist) to change the name and claim their running something else.

The only critical point in the Marxist inter-generational strategy that I can see is their commutations & ideological messaging among members. If we could infiltrate their social groups we could plant a number of ideological suggestions to push their members towards taking positions we can more easily defeat, or that will actually backfire on them.

This is the only way I know of taking down a large system such as you described and it does not involve making it’s existence popularly known.


48 posted on 04/17/2013 9:16:42 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: BlueStateRightist

Too bad

who cares?

she is a lost cause and damaged goods anyway


49 posted on 04/17/2013 9:20:10 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: BlueStateRightist
Judith seems to have problems with strong women. She wants women to be weak and passive.

Remember, it's payback time for all those centuries of patriarchal oppression!

50 posted on 04/17/2013 9:54:14 PM PDT by TChad (Call them Oppressives, not Progressives)
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