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How North Korea Could Destroy The United States
Investor's Business Daily ^ | April 5, 2013 | IBD EDITORIALS

Posted on 04/05/2013 7:10:05 AM PDT by raptor22

National Security: The administration moves an advanced missile defense system to Guam because it knows a single low-yield nuke detonated at high altitude could send America back in time a hundred years.

The announcement Wednesday by the Defense Department that it would soon deploy the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense System (THAAD), a missile defense system inherited from the Bush administration, to Guam underscores the seriousness of the threat from North Korea, whose actions, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel rightly said, "present a real and clear danger."

This move comes after the Obama administration reversed its previous scuttling of Bush administration plans to increase our ground-based interceptor force in Alaska and the deployment of two destroyers equipped with Aegis missile defense systems, the Decatur and the John McCain, to the region.

Some observers dismissed it as familiar bluster when North Korea's 28-year-old raging runt, Kim Jong-un, signed an order for North Korea's strategic rocket forces to be on standby to fire at U.S. targets in front of a map that included Austin, Texas, as a target.

But other observers are concerned that a specific target may not be what the possibly imploding North Korean regime may have in mind.

The three-stage missile North Korea launched last December that also orbited a "package," which experts say could be a test to orbit a nuclear weapon that then would be de-orbited on command anywhere over the U.S. and exploded at a high altitude, releasing an electromagnetic pulse (EMP). That would fry electronic circuitry and the nation's power grid.

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KEYWORDS: 3amobama; aegis; defense; emp; ibd; kimjongun; military; missiledefense; nationaldefense; nationalsecurity; nknukes; nkorea; nkwar; northkorea; nuclearnk; nukes; preppers; shtf; teotwawki; thaad; waronterror
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To: Kartographer
Cooks that used to be engineers, however, live a lifestyle that makes prepping redundant again. ;)

/johnny

301 posted on 04/05/2013 12:05:09 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Elsie
Sponge on a stick. Romans used 'em for hundreds of years. Beats corn-cobs or Sears&Roebuck catalogs.

/johnny

302 posted on 04/05/2013 12:06:25 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Black Agnes

Clinton let them develop missiles and Obama fumbled on Nulear weapons develupment.

This is a very interesting analyses compete with maps:

http://www.futurescience.com/emp.html


303 posted on 04/05/2013 12:08:52 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: IMR 4350

“BTW, what do you do with the deer, pig, fish, frozen veggies from your garden, and frozen leftovers in your freezer if you don’t have any kind of notice the power is going to be off for a month because it’s not hurricane season?”

I have a “Max Cold” Igloo unit the frozen food would go in and eat it as it defrosted. I don’t have deer or pig in the freezer, have very little meat in there and would eat it first.


304 posted on 04/05/2013 12:09:54 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Are you sure? But there was millions.


305 posted on 04/05/2013 12:10:21 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Black Agnes
Imagine Chicago after that sort of thing.


306 posted on 04/05/2013 12:12:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Black Agnes

Who would we launch against? The norks?

Would they notice?

If we EMP’d the norks we’d also cause the South Koreans a lot of pain.

If we nuked them South Korea and Japan would get fallout as well. Are we willing to do that?

Meanwhile, every big city burns to the ground. And with them go a lot of the tech talent necessary to stage any sort of recovery. And that’s assuming the Chinese sell us the equipment we’d need to begin with.

307 posted on 04/05/2013 12:15:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: kimtom

Exactly. Can you imagine - EVERYONE caught off-guard, panic-stricken, disoriented. I think I’ll stay home for a few weeks. :-6


308 posted on 04/05/2013 12:16:02 PM PDT by fivecatsandadog (Let's not be so open-minded that our brains fall out.)
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To: Black Agnes

“How many of the technical people and engineers needed for a recovery do you think live in the outskirts of those cities?”

How many city technical people would it require in, let’s say Idaho, to get the utilities running? None?


309 posted on 04/05/2013 12:16:27 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: mn-bush-man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmZRDUO1wGQ


310 posted on 04/05/2013 12:17:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: babygene
Today I would just go out and start up the standby generator.

I hope it has a LARGE fuel tank!

311 posted on 04/05/2013 12:20:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thanx


312 posted on 04/05/2013 12:20:14 PM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: babygene

How would they get the large step down transformer they’d need to do that?

Those are made in china. Need several months lead time for delivery and need to come through either a major port (hey, those big cities that burned to the ground within a month of the blackout) or an airport (hey, another city, what’s the odds their control tower still works?).

And that electrical power plant? It was connected to those long ‘antenna’ wires that were the biggest problem. It probably burned to the ground as well. Hope it wasn’t a nuke plant too.


313 posted on 04/05/2013 12:20:29 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Marcella

You get into the south where temps reach over 100 you’re not going to eat everything in your frig and freezer before it spoils unless both are almost empty.

Been there done that too many times.

Even assuming you did, how does that keep other people from throwing their spoiled food out by the curb where it stinks and draws flies?


314 posted on 04/05/2013 12:21:05 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’m reminded to plant luffa sponge seeds this spring.


315 posted on 04/05/2013 12:22:05 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Elsie

Not all “smart” people live in a city, that is not a valid argument.


316 posted on 04/05/2013 12:22:55 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: DesertRhino
. And the Norks aren’t stupid. They have simply been conditioned over 20 years that bluster and threats, followed by a minor provocation, results in fool. fuel, money, supplies, and nuclear reactors being given to them.

We are smart. We look for things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WmGvYDLsj4

317 posted on 04/05/2013 12:25:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kartographer

What would hurt bigtime, for a long time, is loss of the teaching hospitals. If the star heart surgeon in your area is mugged and left for dead for his shoes while trying to walk out of the urban area his hospital was in...he teaches no one. Ever.

And not just the teachers. The equipment too. The MRI facility that diagnosed the cyst on my kids pituatary was exactly one block from the hood. One block. And all those types of equipment are pretty much all Made in China. And those facilities are located in urbania.

It will be, even with doctors and a few specialists that make it, like medicine in 1950. A few X ray machines and surgical suites in small rural hospitals. MRI’s? CATs? Very few and far between. Laser knife equipment? Forget it. Burned to the ground with the hospital in the big city.

How long do you think Saint Judes would last if the lights went out in Memphis? The druggies would sack it within 3 days when their high wore off and their dealers were out.


318 posted on 04/05/2013 12:28:44 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: fivecatsandadog; JRandomFreeper; Kartographer; Travis McGee
“...something I have yet to see mentioned in all of the doomsday scenarios in these posts: Let’s say the carp hits the fan at high noon, or 2:00 pm, middle of the week. Kids are in school, mom/pop at work ~10, 20, 30 or more miles away. Massive EMP strike would damage all electronics in late model cars, traffic signals, mass transit, etc.”

Welllll, I wasn't going to get into that since there is much misinformation here about that. I did a study about the difference between a solar flare and a NEMP, which I posted on another website. There was a federal commission (pre-Obama I think) that investigated what would happen in a nuclear electromagnetic pulse (NEMP) attack. Scientists tested regular cars, police cars, and ambulances to see what would happen. Very little did - a few turned off but worked again when started. On the ambulance, a computer used to input data turned off but started again when rebooted.

The result was, all cars and trucks will work but some may turn off but start again.

That report is 180 pages long. The car/truck testing material starts on page 114. You can read the report here:

http://empcommission.org/docs/A2473-EMP_Commission-7MB.pdf

319 posted on 04/05/2013 12:30:02 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: fivecatsandadog

Which is why my husband packs heat and has a bugout bag in the trunk of his car including a spare set of walking shoes. If you could afford one of those portable folding bikes to stash in the trunk of your car or toolbox of your truck you’d be in like flynn. Assuming you used it and got the heck out of dodge before the other people decided you were riding on the mobile equivalent of gold bullion.


320 posted on 04/05/2013 12:30:06 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: raptor22

Have you noticed in every photo the generals surrounding Kim Jong-un are 65 y.o. plus. They date from his father’s era and they are dying off. Kim Jong-un needs to test the loyalty of the next crop against heighten military tension...read bluster. Then he’ll pick the cream of the most devoted and golag or simply execute the rest. It’s a purge, Stalin did it all the time. This is page three in the leftist dictator’s handbook.


321 posted on 04/05/2013 12:31:36 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Marcella

How would those cars be refueled if all the refineries were toasted?

Cars still ran fine post Katrina. Gas availability was a big big big big problem however.


322 posted on 04/05/2013 12:32:09 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: editor-surveyor

The minute the power goes off your life has changed.

Just because you still might be able to use your computer for a couple of days after the power goes off doesn’t mean you still have anything to use it for.


323 posted on 04/05/2013 12:33:21 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Travis McGee
There are not enough police, feds, military etc to quell 30 major city-wide riots that get worse and worse each day as starvation turns to rage.

Well; the Quimbaya haven't been gone THAT long...

324 posted on 04/05/2013 12:34:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kartographer

Kit Carson knew to wipe out the Navajo food supplies, he could finally defeat them.


325 posted on 04/05/2013 12:35:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Marcella

If it is not on (not in standby by) it should come back on is my understanding.


326 posted on 04/05/2013 12:35:43 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Fitzy_888

I wasn’t terribly concerned with the fat boy’s dad. He was old. Old men don’t usually want to die fighting. Usually. Young ones have something to prove. And this guy might very well just be one sandwich short of a picnic.


327 posted on 04/05/2013 12:36:37 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Resolute Conservative

I can jerk meat in my propane stove and I don’t have to spend 2 hours building a contraption.


328 posted on 04/05/2013 12:37:38 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Black Agnes
No GAS??

Then we'd better learn how to MAKE it!

Wood Gas

The NORKs know how!!

329 posted on 04/05/2013 12:38:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: babygene

Most?

Amish; maybe.


330 posted on 04/05/2013 12:39:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: IMR 4350
“Even assuming you did, how does that keep other people from throwing their spoiled food out by the curb where it stinks and draws flies?”

Every person's reality is different. My townhouse group was without power for a week after Ike. Most people in these townhouses are older and their family took them out of here before Ike got here and I imagine they took the frozen food with them as they knew it would spoil if left.

For the people who stayed, we had no spoiled food put out. That is because we have three huge dumpsters put in out of the way spots in our gated townhouse area. I didn't have any spoiled food and doubt the others did, but if they did, they put it in one of those dumpsters and the doors seal well on those dumpsters.

If an attack happened suddenly so we didn't know it was coming, their spoiled food would go in those dumpsters. There wouldn't be spoiled food on the curbs.

331 posted on 04/05/2013 12:40:06 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Anyone who thinks the Won is capable of managing a hotdog cart is living in a dream.


332 posted on 04/05/2013 12:41:16 PM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: IMR 4350

No propane needed.


333 posted on 04/05/2013 12:41:44 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Fitzy_888

Here it is http://dictatorshandbook.net/


334 posted on 04/05/2013 12:47:31 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: babygene

An inch of rain on my barn roof drops about 800 gallons into a stock tank.

Let’s do the math...

If a bottle of DANSAI costs...


335 posted on 04/05/2013 12:47:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Black Agnes
Ditto anyone needing chemotherapy or antibiotics for anything. Burn victims either.

Oh well; we've been cheating Darwin BIG TIME anyway!

336 posted on 04/05/2013 12:48:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: eCSMaster

But you can’t “hit a bullet with a bullet.”

That is the libs claim. Yet during testing, a Sprint launched from Kwajalein Atoll made a hard kill (as in making physical contact, not passing close) against the target warhead launched from Vandenburgh. That is late 1960’s technology!


337 posted on 04/05/2013 12:49:35 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: RaceBannon

The DONNER party didn’t have to smoke meat, for they kept it in a cooler...


338 posted on 04/05/2013 12:50:06 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: xkaydet65

I am afraid that thw NORKS will drop a 6-10 Kt nuke on someone, Guam, Japan, Seoul, Dutch Harbor and that the haloed one will go on TV and say we can’t kill thousands or millions of innocent Koreans because of the action of their insane leaders and he will either seek a drone solution or do nothing.

Zero did make a comment about the option of just absorbing the attack. This was a few years ago.


339 posted on 04/05/2013 12:51:49 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: Black Agnes
“How would those cars be refueled if all the refineries were toasted?”

The question asked of me was how to get home from work if it happened in the middle of the day.

A NEMP strength is based on the height it is detonated - the higher it is, the more distance it covers. It is, however, regional in damage. If that region does not include Texas, power will stay on in Texas as it's grid is separate from the rest of the country. A major part of the country's gasoline comes from around Houston in Deer Park, Pasadena, and farther south in Texas City.

I feel sure the government would head to that part of the country FIRST to get those plants working and they would work if not in the damaged area.

If a NMEP went off over Los Angeles, that damage wouldn't extend to the east coast, it would die out and where it would die out would depend on how high the blast happened. It also does not take a high yield nuclear blast to accomplish that.

340 posted on 04/05/2013 12:52:39 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

“If it is not on (not in standby by) it should come back on is my understanding.”

That’s true but even if a car is running and turns off, the science says it runs again when started again.

That is covered in that test report.


341 posted on 04/05/2013 12:54:58 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: kimtom

Where I live I’m not real worried about roving mobs.

Closest neighbor is about a mile away as the crow flies.

Probably wouldn’t be much of a mob left by the time they got to me.

What few neighbors I have would have thinned any mob out pretty good before I could even get there to give them a hand.

Neighbors around here aren’t the kind that are going to risk getting shot looking for a sandwich.

They would just go in the woods and get some food.


342 posted on 04/05/2013 12:56:29 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: raptor22

I really do not have the bandwidth left to worry about external threats anymore.


343 posted on 04/05/2013 12:57:39 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Elsie

Ha ha ha ha!! Now That’s FUNNY!!
(and fitting...)


344 posted on 04/05/2013 1:00:00 PM PDT by mn-bush-man
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To: Black Agnes
We were too busy trying to get clean water (boil water notice is a joke when you have no electricity. unless you have a wood cookstove, firewood and access to reasonably unpolluted surface water)

While Katrina got all the coverage, some of us endured the aftermath of Rita, with little or no attention. We too were without power 6 weeks. As far as dealing with boiled water notices, no one on the gulf coast riding out storms should be without a propane grill, and plenty of propane supply.

345 posted on 04/05/2013 1:03:50 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: catfish1957

Word on the propane. We never get lower than 2 spare tanks at a time. Just because of Katrina. The only reason Katrina got newsworthy was the 9th ward. If it had strictly been a rural MS storm you’d have seen one news report and that’d have been it.

Feel for y’all in Rita country. Know exactly what it was like for you.


346 posted on 04/05/2013 1:08:37 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

“How would they get the large step down transformer they’d need to do that?”

I think too many people on here are getting their panties in a wad over really nothing.

We may very well have societal breakdown in this country at some point, but it won’t be because of some North Korean toy nuke.

As for the transformers you speak of, the ones we have here export our hydro power to the west coast. Their not necessary for our local electrical consumption. Our water, sewage and gas would be up and running quickly.


347 posted on 04/05/2013 1:10:16 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Marcella

If I read it correctly, aircraft is not immune to EMP-related electronic failure. Radar control would be vulnerable if more than one block was affected.


348 posted on 04/05/2013 1:10:40 PM PDT by fivecatsandadog (Let's not be so open-minded that our brains fall out.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I can also make it hanging it in front of my wood stove on a green sticks or pieces of wire.

Again no need to spend 2 hours building a contraption.

If you have a lot of meat you better have something big enough to handle it or you are going to end up with a lot of rotten meat.


349 posted on 04/05/2013 1:13:16 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: catfish1957
“While Katrina got all the coverage, some of us endured the aftermath of Rita, with little or no attention. We too were without power 6 weeks. As far as dealing with boiled water notices, no one on the gulf coast riding out storms should be without a propane grill, and plenty of propane supply.”

I was also without power during Rita. That was a horrible experience as leave notices were in effect from Houston down to the coast. The freeway a couple of blocks from my house was stacked with cars that couldn't move. The exits were blocked so they couldn't get off. That Hwy. 45 through here at that time was two lane on each side. They started tearing that highway up shortly after Rita and now it's four lanes both sides. I felt so sorry for those trapped on the highway.

I know you remember several people died on that road. Gov. Perry fixed that - now, gasoline trucks are stationed along exit roads if a large number of people have to leave.

Houston got smarter with Ike and told people to stay put unless they were in low lying areas. They stayed home which gave the folks from Houston to Galveston a much smaller amount of cars on the roads out.

We used our propane grill just like you did. I also have enough canned heat and several Sterno stoves to last a year. I've got enough jar candles for nighttime use to last a year.

Having a plan can save your life.

350 posted on 04/05/2013 1:15:18 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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