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How North Korea Could Destroy The United States
Investor's Business Daily ^ | April 5, 2013 | IBD EDITORIALS

Posted on 04/05/2013 7:10:05 AM PDT by raptor22

National Security: The administration moves an advanced missile defense system to Guam because it knows a single low-yield nuke detonated at high altitude could send America back in time a hundred years.

The announcement Wednesday by the Defense Department that it would soon deploy the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense System (THAAD), a missile defense system inherited from the Bush administration, to Guam underscores the seriousness of the threat from North Korea, whose actions, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel rightly said, "present a real and clear danger."

This move comes after the Obama administration reversed its previous scuttling of Bush administration plans to increase our ground-based interceptor force in Alaska and the deployment of two destroyers equipped with Aegis missile defense systems, the Decatur and the John McCain, to the region.

Some observers dismissed it as familiar bluster when North Korea's 28-year-old raging runt, Kim Jong-un, signed an order for North Korea's strategic rocket forces to be on standby to fire at U.S. targets in front of a map that included Austin, Texas, as a target.

But other observers are concerned that a specific target may not be what the possibly imploding North Korean regime may have in mind.

The three-stage missile North Korea launched last December that also orbited a "package," which experts say could be a test to orbit a nuclear weapon that then would be de-orbited on command anywhere over the U.S. and exploded at a high altitude, releasing an electromagnetic pulse (EMP). That would fry electronic circuitry and the nation's power grid.

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KEYWORDS: 3amobama; aegis; defense; emp; ibd; kimjongun; military; missiledefense; nationaldefense; nationalsecurity; nknukes; nkorea; nkwar; northkorea; nuclearnk; nukes; preppers; shtf; teotwawki; thaad; waronterror
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How I learned to start worrying and love missile defense.
1 posted on 04/05/2013 7:10:05 AM PDT by raptor22
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To: raptor22

Why should the Norks bother? Obama is doing a better job.


2 posted on 04/05/2013 7:11:11 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: Perdogg

Everyone should read ‘One Second After’.


3 posted on 04/05/2013 7:12:43 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Perdogg

Exactly. It’s not the Norks we should be worried about. It’s our own government.


4 posted on 04/05/2013 7:13:30 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: raptor22
"How I learned to start worrying and love missile defense."

But you can't "hit a bullet with a bullet."
- Democrat platform for the last 25 years.

5 posted on 04/05/2013 7:13:59 AM PDT by eCSMaster (Palin was correct!)
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To: raptor22

One has to wonder why the USA is acting on reactive actions. This should of be done long ago on preventative if not predictive actions. Shame on Obama!!


6 posted on 04/05/2013 7:14:11 AM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: raptor22

The Chinese and Russians could also do this.


7 posted on 04/05/2013 7:14:14 AM PDT by laplata (The Answer To 1984 Is 1776)
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8 posted on 04/05/2013 7:14:14 AM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: laplata

...but are sane enough not to till necessary.


9 posted on 04/05/2013 7:15:40 AM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: raptor22

If anyone thinks the Kenyan is capable of managing the defense of this nation, even against an opponent as puny as NOKO, you’re in for a sad awakening.


10 posted on 04/05/2013 7:15:49 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: raptor22
Mark Steyn had several great points about the Nork threat on Hugh Hewitt's show.
11 posted on 04/05/2013 7:16:31 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: raptor22

...but are sane enough not to till necessary.


BINGO!!!


12 posted on 04/05/2013 7:17:07 AM PDT by laplata (The Answer To 1984 Is 1776)
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To: raptor22

Destroyed by communism from within or without? Potato, potahto...


13 posted on 04/05/2013 7:18:18 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: muir_redwoods

His Maximum Eminence managing the defense of the US would probably consist of ordering a strike on NRA headquarters and the Vatican. After that he would declare victory and go out on the campaign trail.


14 posted on 04/05/2013 7:18:28 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: eCSMaster
But you can't "hit a bullet with a bullet."
- Democrat platform for the last 25 years.

If NK does flip one at us, and THAAD or an SM-2 whacks it, the MSM is going to make it sound like Obama personally invented BMD technology. Reagan's 1983 speech will be stuffed into the memory hole.

15 posted on 04/05/2013 7:18:34 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: laplata

It’s the matter of plausible deniability. If the norks do it China and Russia both have clean hands. Who do we retaliate against, exactly?

The norks wouldn’t notice if we emp’d them. Any any significant non conventional attack on the norks would decimate south korea.

Not to mention the loss of 90% of the population of CONUS. We’d be off the world political map, probably forever. China, Russia, whoever, could just walk right into CONUS about 6m after such an attack. With little or no resistance and no radioactive no go zones either.

An EMP attack could put us at third world status for the next 2 generations. Possibly longer since we wouldn’t even have a population surplus to market as a labor force.


16 posted on 04/05/2013 7:18:44 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Everyone should read ‘One Second After’.

Terrifying book...


17 posted on 04/05/2013 7:20:17 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: raptor22

All that chink in NK has to do is let Barry Hussein Soetoro ruin the United States and not one missile needs to be fired.


18 posted on 04/05/2013 7:21:28 AM PDT by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: raptor22

My only concern has always been in the case of an emp attack or an internal conflict (like CW2) we would be vulnerable to outside invasion or more overt infiltrations and exteernal interfernce. A giant reset button would be a good thing and rid us of all the stupid tv/radio propaganda and shows, video games our people have gotten hooked on as long as it happens on a global scale.


19 posted on 04/05/2013 7:22:13 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: unixfox

If anything, little Kim can attack the US and create the solidarity that we had right after 9/11.

But then... who could have ever predicted that an un-American commie muslim “God Damn America” extremist would be elected president just 7 years after a bunch of un-American commie muslim “God Damn America” extremists attacked the WTC and the Pentagon?


20 posted on 04/05/2013 7:22:56 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: raptor22

Not to worry. Our sock-puppet resident of our White House has a full complement of unelected and unapproved puppeteers to guide our leader as he golfs around the country.


21 posted on 04/05/2013 7:22:56 AM PDT by laweeks
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22 posted on 04/05/2013 7:24:18 AM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: eCSMaster

There actually is an exhibit of two bullets that met in mid-air at the Gettysburg museum.


23 posted on 04/05/2013 7:24:39 AM PDT by ebshumidors
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Which makes me mystified about all the silly jokes and pictures posted on these threads about the nork threat. They already HAVE put 4 different packages in orbit. It would only take detonating ONE of these to end life as we know it in CONUS.

I’m way less worried about their detonating a conventional nuke via any sort of ‘icbm’ at an individual city.

EMP attack would get EVERY city simultaneously. With no radioactive no go zones for an invader to worry about.

We’d be worried about where to get a clean drink of water or our next meal. Or how to heat our homes in -20 weather without fireplaces and cords of wood stacked outside. The death toll from an EMP attack would be horrendous.


24 posted on 04/05/2013 7:25:15 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: raptor22

“National Security: The administration moves an advanced missile defense system to Guam because it knows a single low-yield nuke detonated at high altitude could send America back in time a hundred years.”

I don’t buy this at all. 50 years ago we had vacuum tubes and core memory which would not be susceptible to EMP. Yes, we could suffer major damage but we would recover in months.

Utilities would be up again quickly, and many of us replace our high tech stuff every year anyway.


25 posted on 04/05/2013 7:25:48 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: muir_redwoods

The _resident may not be capable of managing our defense but he had the smarts to surround himself with very capable people like mr. heinz & mr. hagel. sarc.


26 posted on 04/05/2013 7:26:50 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (')
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Benny B and Barry would have to print money old skool



27 posted on 04/05/2013 7:27:03 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: raptor22

I just posted this to another thread, but it applies here:

You can watch the track of the North Korean satellite on these two websites. The satellite’s code is KMS 3-2 (NORAD 39026).

KMS 3-2 Satellite details
http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=39026

KMS 3-2 3D Online Satellite Tracking
http://www.satflare.com/track.asp?q=39026#TOP

It travels directly over the US often. This link will give you a list of future times:
http://www.n2yo.com/passes/?s=39026
Click the “Show all passes” button and then click the Map checkbox next to each one.


28 posted on 04/05/2013 7:27:14 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: raptor22; All

Never fear Hagel is on the job.........................ummm, time to build a cellar


29 posted on 04/05/2013 7:27:38 AM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: SIRTRIS

One has to wonder why the USA is acting on reactive actions. This should of be done long ago on preventative if not predictive actions. Shame on Obama!!

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Actually, I’m glad Obammie is not taking action. Do you trust his “reactive actions” Of course not. Just like the take down of OBL and the Benghazi murders - Barry will probably saunter in from the golf course and watch it all on the big screen. Then he’ll screw thing up.

I can live with that.


30 posted on 04/05/2013 7:28:15 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: raptor22

I am afraid that thw NORKS will drop a 6-10 Kt nuke on someone, Guam, Japan, Seoul, Dutch Harbor and that the haloed one will go on TV and say we can’t kill thousands or millions of innocent Koreans because of the action of their insane leaders and he will either seek a drone solution or do nothing.


31 posted on 04/05/2013 7:28:33 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Black Agnes

That IS a great book!


32 posted on 04/05/2013 7:28:36 AM PDT by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

The voice of reason.

It would be trivial for the Chinese or Russians to wait 6m after an EMP attack to just walk right in. Even in the guise of ‘international assistance’. Most of our cities would have been burned to the ground and most of the population would already either be dead or so weak from malnutrition they’d be little threat to an invader.

The norks already put 4 packages in orbit at the altitude necessary for an emp attack. Detonating just one of these at the right place could destroy everything we currently depend on for clean food, water, heat medical care and any sort of law enforcement.


33 posted on 04/05/2013 7:28:41 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: raptor22

IBD needs to do a little more research. While EMP is a problem if you have the right people with the right missiles with the right warheads, the little firecracker nuke attached to a Nork “Punkin’ Chunkin’” rocket isn’t going to send us back to the Stone Age.


34 posted on 04/05/2013 7:30:20 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-eyed killer of the deep.)
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To: raptor22

I don’t think low-yield nukes will do it. I had understood that it took 1-10 MT explosions above the atmosphere to create widespread, damaging EMP. A few kt? Not so much.


35 posted on 04/05/2013 7:30:35 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Black Agnes

“With no radioactive no go zones for an invader to worry about.”

Relax. There are hundreds of millions of firearms in this country. And how are these “invaders” going to get here? It’s not like they can just walk here... Any invaders would be dead before they advanced a mile inland.


36 posted on 04/05/2013 7:31:08 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: raptor22

SO....IN TEH EVENT THEY HAVEN’T FIGURED THIS OUT, WHY DON’T WE JUST TELL ‘EM!!!


37 posted on 04/05/2013 7:31:28 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Black Agnes

That’s exactly right.

I haven’t had the guts to read “One Second After” but people who have read it say it’s damned scary.

With the Demon in our White House, we’re sitting ducks in more ways than one.


38 posted on 04/05/2013 7:31:58 AM PDT by laplata (The Answer To 1984 Is 1776)
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To: Black Agnes

Some of it is plausible but Texans would fight as you don’t need electricity to fight Mexicans, Sam Houston didn’t.

The only immediate concern would be those on daily life sustaining medicines and drinking water. He was correct in assuming the “die off” on major urban areas would be over 90%.


39 posted on 04/05/2013 7:32:41 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: raptor22

Well they could unite with Germany and bomb Pearl Harbor again.


40 posted on 04/05/2013 7:33:17 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Black Agnes

Absolutely correct. If they just hit a city or two that would be far preferable to an EMP which would be completely devastating.


41 posted on 04/05/2013 7:33:48 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Black Agnes

“Everyone should read ‘One Second After’.’

After I read the book I talked to some physicists at work (real physicists who work on DARPA and defense projects not physics teachers). Their opinion was that the threat of EMP is greatly exaggerated and it would take a massive attack to completely blackout the US.


42 posted on 04/05/2013 7:33:51 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Black Agnes

“They already HAVE put 4 different packages in orbit.”

From my understanding only one of the four is a “satellite” or whatever it is. One is part of the rocket and the other two are much smaller and likely part of the process of detaching the satellite from the vehicle.


43 posted on 04/05/2013 7:33:56 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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44 posted on 04/05/2013 7:34:07 AM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: TurboZamboni

Ha! I get why that was aimed at me but in the case of an EMP strike money would be completely irrelevant.


45 posted on 04/05/2013 7:34:28 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: babygene

Yup, exactly. The scaremongers need to cut back on the espresso.


46 posted on 04/05/2013 7:34:38 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: babygene

Do you remember Katrina? I do. All the MSM preached about was the ninth ward. I lived through it in South Mississippi. You didn’t hear much from us. Because most of us were without power for 6 weeks or longer. That includes cell phone coverage where I was as well.

We were too busy trying to get clean water (boil water notice is a joke when you have no electricity. unless you have a wood cookstove, firewood and access to reasonably unpolluted surface water), food (grocery stores were empty for weeks down here) and access to medical care (difficult when there’s giant trees down on your main road. For mile after mile after mile).

We dug out and recovered, eventually, because the rest of the country (thanks y’all!) came to our assistance.

How, exactly, do you propose to keep 300 million people provided with clean water, or even clean food in any sort of timely manner.

Cities would burn to the ground. You just think the ‘youth mobs’ are dangerous now. Wait till there haven’t been any food deliveries to their hoods.

How could utilities be up again quickly when the transformers that would be destroyed are largely made in China? At the very least it would be months before any power started coming back on line. What would YOU do to obtain clean water, food, and heat your home in that time. Not to mention simple sanitation. How long do you think your city sewer would work without a functioning sanitation plant?


47 posted on 04/05/2013 7:36:31 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: coloradan

Or maybe even 50-100 MT.


48 posted on 04/05/2013 7:37:20 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
Their opinion was that the threat of EMP is greatly exaggerated and it would take a massive attack to completely blackout the US.

And even then it would not blow up EVERY electrical device in the WHOLE country. Lots and lots of stuff would survive due to random chance and hardening. That book describes a situation as realistic as the Zombie Apocalypse.
49 posted on 04/05/2013 7:37:36 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: raptor22
My thoughts:

We know the DOD has contingency plans for every possible scenario any place in the world and updates them periodically.

If NK targets anything US, island, continental, ship, etc. will be sufficient provocation to do surgical strikes on NK destroying all missile sites and selected military targets. That will effectively end NK as a threat in the foreseeable future. Certainly the DOD has such a plan on the books, but it requires POTUS approval to initiate.

Now, it will leave a huge humanitarian problem. If we had a conservative in the WH, we would have a chance to cause a revolution to rise up, and with he SK operatives working the area, remove the communist government and install one friendly to SK, and by extension the US, and eventually lead to a unified peninsula. Both China and Russia will work against this plan. But with smart US leadership, it could happen.

OOPs!! sorry ‘bout that. I am not sure the US possesses “smart” leadership in the WH, Congress or in the Pentagon. Like I said - just a thought.

50 posted on 04/05/2013 7:37:37 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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